I pit (some) dog owners

You, dear, are the epitome of childish. You follow me about with this same lame song simply because you were proven wrong once, months ago (or is it years by now?) Even if it were true, it would still be terribly stale by now. Why don’t you go forth and get a life? Let it go and leave the adults alone.

Your trolling is terribly stale by now, which is why it would be nice if you stopped doing it.

If this is about weather each of us individually likes having dogs jump on us, I do as long as I am wearing wrestle-with-dogs clothes. But it is a super bad lapse of manners for a dog to jump at everyone, no matter what the dog means. It has the potential to be dangerous. It also exposes the dog to the danger of frightened humans.

pwd is how you get the current working directory in Linux. In DOS, CD works just as well.

Nobody is arguing that dogs should jump on people. Nobody.

But when an overexcited or not properly trained dog jumps on you, it is ANNOYING. You might get mud on your clothing, you might get inadvertently scratched, or even get a small tear in clothing if it is a delicate fabric. But unless you are elderly, recovering from an injury, or a very small child, it is not DANGEROUS. I am astounded at the numbers of people on this thread seemingly concerned about actual injury. If you are that frail, dogs are the least of your worries – you had best stay away from any environment that is not completely under your control. The most amusing thing to me is that the same people who are worried about being crippled by an overly friendly pooch are the ones who advocate some kind of preemptive strike on any dog not sitting calmly in the corner. For God’s sake, if such is your physical condition, I certainly would not advise attacking the dog with the flying knees and karate chops that some of you seem to be boasting about.

misterW: The problem is that jumping on people is *the first sign *that a dog is not properly trained. And maybe that will be the extent of it. But you have *no way of knowing *whether a dog that has jumped on you will *also *bite you.

So if the dog’s owner hasn’t trained their animal well enough that it doesn’t jump on people, which is dangerous to some and annoying to almost everyone, it is only sensible to assume that they *also *haven’t trained it not to do things that are *univerally *dangerous, like biting.

I have the feeling you’ve never been jumped on by a big dog.

I grew up with a Saint, and my sister had a Newfie. There is nothing safe about dogs of that size jumping on you.

Sure, my other sister’s Bichon isn’t likely to cause much damage.

This sounds to me like the logic of someone who isn’t too familiar with how dogs behave. A dog that runs up to me with excitement and jumps on me is the LAST dog that I would expect to bit me. The potential biter is the one staring at me and growling from the periphery. And having a dog that doesn’t bite is not so much a matter of specifically training the dog as it is just exposing a dog to people. A dog that bites a person is feeling threatened. Maybe it was abused at some point, maybe it was never exposed to people…either way, its not going to happily bound up to you and jump on you – and THEN bite you.

I have grown up with and owned German Shepherds. My friend has a 100lb lab and that annoying beast has jumped on me countless times. My dog regularly plays with a friend’s Newfoundland (admittedly not completely full grown), who has jumped on me her share of times. So, perhaps not the top 5% of dogs, but I’ve had a good number of big dogs jumping on me. I’m probably also in the bottom 5% of guys, size-wise. I can’t say that I’ve ever been hurt or that it has even occurred to me that such behavior is more than an annoyance.

How exactly does the injury occur, short of being bumped while standing on the edge of a cliff?

I sincerely wish our 200 pound Saint, Genevieve, were still alive so I could have her jump on you just so you could feel it. You would never again wonder how the injury can occur.

Well, absent that, I’ll have to let you know how it goes in a few months when my friend’s Newfoundland reaches her full size and jumps on me – assuming I am still capable of typing, of course.

In any case, even if I conceded (which I haven’t) that monsters such as Genevieve or Susie (the Newfoundland I mentioned) inflicted serious injuries merely by putting their paws on someone, that is hardly relevant to this thread. The average dog is less than 50 pounds, even large dogs are often less than 100 lbs, and 99.9% of dogs are nowhere near the 200 lbs that you are describing.

As such, I have yet to be enlightened as to how an overly excited dog is going to injure an adult by jumping up on them.

By knocking them over, by tripping them, by scratching them, by snagging them with their teeth, by causing them to shy away, by bending their knees backward, by hitting the back of their knees, by clipping the undersides of their jaws, by biting, by scaring, by causing the person’s dog to overreact, by starting the person out into traffic, by setting off the thermonuclear device hidden in the person’s overcoat.

I was nearly knocked off a deck by a badly behaved Boxer. I have had fairly deep scratches on my legs from an overly excited mutt. I have had my hand punctured by the tooth of a dog who was just trying to to jump up and be friendly. The Saint once bowled two people over on the stairs. The Newfie charged through a crowd at a party and caused people to trip and spill drinks on themselves and each other and the floor.

Some of these dogs were mostly well-behaved and just had a moment of stupidity. If you have a dog, accept that a dog brings potential for injury and chaos and train them accordingly.

We’ve already established that such a thing does, in fact, happen.

Also, what Shot From Guns said.

Shot From Guns seemed to be concerned about the excited and poorly trained dog that jumps on you also being a threat to aggressively bite you.

What you link to appears to be an overly dramatic account of a jogger’s heroic battle with a poorly trained playful spaniel (PTPS).

The dog that playfully jumps on you is not going to turn around a second later and attack you. You are just trying to rationalize your preemptive eye gouging approach.

I will accept that the elderly, the injured, the very young can easily be knocked down. With an able bodied adult, this is very rare.

These are annoyances, like stubbing your toe, except not as bad. And they hardly ever happen.

Hey, how did that get thrown in there?

Physical injuries only.

And do what?

We’re talking about able bodied adults with a sound mind.

I will accept this one.

What are you basing this on? Because I see how you ignored the examples I gave.

The dog that “playfully” jumps on you looks the same as the dog that “aggressively” jumps on you.

You sound like those people with poorly trained dogs who are watching Fido go after someone while saying, “Oh, he’s haaaaaaarmless. He’s just being friendly.”

There are some of the most incredible dumbasses in the world who own dogs and claim nothing bad can happen as a result of their carelessness with them. And then people end up bitten, mauled, dead, or as in my examples, knocked down or scratched and bleeding, or with nice, round toothholes in them (and trust me, if you get a dog tooth stuck through you, you don’t give a fuck whether it was purposeful).

You apparently are one of them.

And the idea that a dog can’t injure someone through playful biting (especially if the dog is so poorly trained as to be jumping on people) is absolutely ridiculous. Dogs love to jump and grab with their mouths. “Accidental” dog bites are extraordinarily common, and anyone who acts like they aren’t is so incredibly ignorant of reality that their opinions on this subject should be ignored.

Perhaps if you don’t know anything about dogs.

Based on what? I’ve made it pretty clear that you shouldn’t let your dog jump on people. Old people and little kids can get knocked down and hurt, and it is generally annoying for other people. I just think there are a bunch of silly people here acting like able bodied adults are in great danger from a playful dog and describing how, luckily for them, they were able to subdue the beast with their martial arts training. Give me a break. No need for all this drama. Train your dog not to jump on people. If a dog jumps on you, give the owner a piece of your mind. But this boasting about kicking playful dogs… is that really something that people are boasting about?

I don’t claim to be a dog expert. And I don’t need to be to have seen, and experienced, what I have seen and experienced.