I take one of friend Clotahump’s points: this referendum is worthy of a great deal of attention, as recent posts indicate. Especially as it reflects on the prospects of a free and democratic Floridaq.
If these stories of electoral chicanery are true, this has the potential for disaster. The Shia appear to be playing Republican poker with the Sunni: all your cards are dealt face up, and I get to draw twice. Deuces are wild for me.
We are stupid if we permit this. We were stupid not to prevent this. We should have gone to every extreme to ensure complete and utter transparency, from the point where the vote is cast to the point where it is counted. (Maybe we should have brought Jimmy Carter in to this? Half the fun is imagining GeeDub calling him to ask. I bet he would have done, political animosity set aside. Jimmy is a Christian, GeeDub is a Pharisee…)
The Sunni were already inclined to be suspicious, we should have gone to exhaustive extremes to show that such suspicions were unfounded. At least that way the Sunni who are yet amenable to reason have some basis for their opinion!
By preventing a fair vote, the Iraq junta have passed up a golden opportunity. If the Sunni had, by voting, asserted their will in a meaningful way, we would have proven our point! That democratic processes can work, that the Sunni can assert their agenda more usefully in a climate of negotiation and compromise than in a climate of direct conflict. The path of direct conflict is almost certainly the path of destruction for the Sunni. They are outnumbered, outgunned, surrounded, and the Americans suit up for the other team.
If the referendum had failed, we might very well have suceeded. As it is, it looks like another opportunity pissed away.
Clothahump, you started this shit storm. The least you can do is step up like a man and either support your OP or admit it was misguided and request it be closed.
Cervaise GREAT find about the “good news” concerning the South Vietnamese elections.
Also great job to the other Dopers who found stories about voter fraud in the recent Iraqi elections. Maybe Scalia can go over to Iraq and declare the winner to be … George “Dubya” Bush by a landslide.
In all fairness, I can see clothahump’s point. Now that the Iraqi people have participated in the democratic process, we can see Dubya’s plan has come to fruition. No doubt that’s the reason the liberal media is trying their damndest to keep a lid on this “triumph”. I guess we can now get our troops back home in about a week right?
Maybe Dubya can plan a series of aircraft appearances to proclaim “Mission Accomplished” … again. Good old Dubya - a “war hero” who has never stopped fighting his nation’s enemies. :rolleyes:
Unless my search skills have become deficient, I believe clothahump’s only post in this thread was number one. Maybe he realizes his fervor in condemning the media was a bit premature.
That is all.
As you were.
Smokem if you’ve gottem
War is good business … invest your children.
You know, in the beginning I was skeptical of claims that GeeDubya was personally selected by Providence, our Anointed One. OK, more than skeptical. Contemptuous. But this report from the New York Times!
Reporting vote returns of 99% in some provinces in favor! 99 per cent! Already they are calling this the “Miracle on the Tigris”! Who could have imagined such a positive, nay, astounding endorsement by the Iraqi people! Mirabile dictu!
Did Saddam even get 99%. It smells like a lack of democracy to me. Maybe someone ought to invade. They got voting machines of mass destruction over there, if you ask me.
Well, I’ve long been of the opinion that Clotathump and some of his more moronic ilk were a deep cover Clinton operation because no one could actually be so stupid and inept in their arguments and blind in their wilfulness.
But now my theory has been undermined. This is just too crude, so obviously incredibly stupid that I’m beginning to think he is just ‘Special’.
I’m beginning even to admire the perseverence it must take to type out his posts with those sewn on mittens. Painfully enunciating each word with rapidly tiring lips, throat raw from pleading with the radio to talk slower, straining to see the monitor through a patina of spittle.