Wait, what? Don’t yell at me! Yell at DooWahDiddy! I was just being sarcastic since, as my previous post indicated, I’m an elitist just like you. 
And on preview, um, never mind. Um. The Black-Eyed Peas suck donkey balls.
As I said:
I will read the thread properly before posting.
I will read the thread properly before posting.
I will read the thread properly before posting…
Sorry, Excalibre.
:smack: Wow… I really screwed this thread up, didn’t I?
You’re a failure.
Okay now that you’re sure who to be mad at, Peak Banana , ;), then yes, I am “seriously telling [you] that it’s not possible to say that Beethoven is better than Britney Spears, without being an elitist”. Isn’t that the very definition of the word?
I mean, you’ve obviously adopted the mindset that “If I’m an elitist then so be it” so there’s really nothing else I can say. As long as you’re fine living life that way, and you accept it as a personal flaw, then what do I care?
These things never end up being as satisfying as they sound, but nevertheless I’d love to see you try to explain why thinking Beethoven is better than Britney Spears is a personal flaw.
:rolleyes: Christ, here we go.
Read much? Try it again. I’ll wait. Better now? Good. I’m sure upon re-reading my post you’ll see that I said no such thing. I consider elitism to be a personal flaw, not the OP’s musical preferences. And he’s already stated that he’s fine with being called that, so again, I really don’t care.
Personally, I’d take Beethoven (or pretty much anything) over Britney Spears. I’m a composer by profession, of course my personal tastes are going to gravitate toward the more melody-driven sounds of “older” music, as opposed to the electronic beat-driven sounds of today. But that doesn’t mean I hold anything against someone who does like that stuff. And I’m sure not going to say “If you absolutely have to make noise, why not at least play something that actually has a smidgeon of artistic value?” because the bottom line is the OP was complaining about the volume of the music. If the choice of musical selection comes into play then, in my opinion, the OP is simply looking for things to bitch about, and it seems you are too.
I’m not looking for things to bitch about. I’m just some mixture of amused and appalled at this silly notion going around today that having any trace of discernment amounts to a personal failing.
I didn’t say there was anything inherently wrong with people who have bad taste in music. Just that it’s silly to pretend they don’t exist.
It’s amazing how clearly your smugness and arrogance comes across my computer screen.
Yeah, I get that a lot.
It’s gotta be tough carrying around that combativeness and the compulsion to cast judgment on others because of their opinions.
You have got to be kidding me.
“[P]eople who listen to good music tend to recognize that the best condition for appreciating it is probably not so loud that you can’t hear it properly.” [Post #12]
“I didn’t say there was anything inherently wrong with people who have bad taste in music.” [Post #28]
Oh my God oh my God oh my God you are too funny, man. Hold on a sec, I need to catch my breath. I’m sorry… wait… breathing… re-reading your last post. Oh my God it’s still funny.
Dude, chill. “Combativeness”? Uh-huh. I said twice already that I could give a shit. And I mean that. As far as the OP’s (and yours) opinions go, I seriously could not care less.
“[C]ompulsion to cast judgment on others because of their opinions”? sigh You’re the one who has posted not once but twice about “good music” and “bad music” and implied that you get to choose what falls into which catagory for the rest of us. I was merely stating the fact that this presents you as an asshole who just can’t seem to comprehend that the world is a big place and that you may not be the end-all be-all. But hey, I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you haven’t been told before. I guess we’ll all just have to wait until you grow up, huh?
As a follow-up, I just wanted to point out that I just now came across and read this thread, and now I am quite certain I’m not telling you anything you didn’t already know, regarding your inability to reach maturity.
Gosh! Then you’d better figure out who used your account to post this!
Hey man, you didn’t come across real gentle. You certainly didn’t come across like you “could give a shit”. Also, you came across just an eensy-weensy bit snarky when you said this:
But hey, I’m just sayin’. Judging from the tenor of your posts, you’re taking this a lot more seriously than I am. So it’s over now. Please do me a favor and just try to remember that your world-view is not the same as everyone else’s, okay? It’s not an inherent sign of a “personal flaw” or being tremendously immature not to share your opinions.
What about those of us that like everything?
Excalibre, you’ve managed to restart the argument about whether an educated and particular taste in the arts is/isn’t a form of elitism and if so whether it’s intolerable/objectionable/acceptable/a moral imperative, which is an argument (if I’m not confusing you with someone else) you know well and have become very persuasive at defending your side of. But I think it’s inappropriate here.
You began by saying “Yes, yes, I’ve heard it before…” Maybe so, but you *hadn’t * heard DooWahDiddy say it in this thread: as I read the post, s/he was just saying that too-loud music can be obnoxious no matter what you’re playing, and that the right to a peaceful commons should not be predicated on what the concerned persons’ tastes are. To have a refined taste in music may or may not be snobbish, and occasional snobbishness may or may not be defensible – but that’s not the issue. The issue is, even if a particular taste in music can be properly labelled “better” than another, it should have nothing whatever to do with the right to play either in public spaces. The idea that it should, not the mere valuation of one artist over another, is what is indefensibly snobbish here. I don’t think the OP was seriously suggesting that, but I can sympathize with DooWahDiddy’s position that the two criteria shouldn’t be conflated.
This is the only reading that makes any sense to me (even though DooWahDiddy’s recent posts have been less temperate), because as a professional composer, his/her job is to make just those bad/fair/better/best judgments about music, not to deny the validity of doing so, which is the contrary position that best serves as a foil for your arguments.
The only thing I’m taking seriously is your arrogance. It’s indicitave of a larger problem and makes me sorry for the people who have to deal with you in real life. But you’re right, it is over. It’s over because we’ve both said what we wanted to say, and I concede that the possibility of me getting through to you is very unlikely indeed. It is not over just because you claim “it’s over now”.
But please, Excalibre, do yourself a favor and re-read the thread. The fact that you still continue to accuse me of not “remember[ing] that [my] world-view is not the same as everyone else’s” leads me to believe that [Dr. Evil]you just don’t get it, do you?[/Dr. Evil]
Um, if you have one person saying that any music he doesn’t like is inferior, and another person saying that everyone’s opinions are different and there is no “good” or “bad” when it comes to opinions, I ask you, which one of those people has the narrow world-view? Think about it.
And The King of Soup, yes, thank you. That’s exactly what I was saying, albeit in a Pit-worthy manner directed at someone who has a knack for frustrating people.
Trouble is I’m not seeing where I started an argument at all. I’m not the one who popped into the thread with arrogant descriptions of childishness and “personal flaws”. If you mean the time I encouraged DooWahDiddy to outline his point rather than just snark at people, I’m not sure I feel any terrible sense of guilt over that. And most of the rest of the time I’ve just been trying to disengage.
Go reread DooWahDiddy’s first post. Tell me how “temperate” it was, then ask yourself if I started an argument.
There is no possible reading of Peak Banana’s post that had anything to do with people not having the right to play certain kinds of music. There was about four lines of some throwaway comment about how people playing loud music are inevitably playing bad music. Which led DooWahDiddy to come into the thread and drip contempt all over everyone who didn’t share his enlightenment. In fact, his attitude is a bit like the sort of smug moviestar liberal that gives the rest of us a bad name - sure, Barbra Streisand’s got the right politics, but does that give her some special privilege to hold court over the less enlightened? Different conceptions of the world here, Soupy (I do that because it’s rather awkward to refer to someone by a name that includes “the”. It’s just sorta weird. :)) The trouble is with those who wish to browbeat everyone else into being enlightened like our DooWahDiddy does here.
But all you really have to do is reread DooWahDiddy’s posts, from the first one in the thread. See if that snippy tone of self-righteousness was really warranted. Then decide who you wish to give a lecture to.
If you have someone popping into a discussion to helpfully explain to others that they’re immature children and then patronizingly forgive them for their “personal flaw”, who has the narrow worldview? Who’s “arrogant” and “smug”?
Fair’s fair, dude. You don’t get to talk about being arrogant or smug in this thread. Not after your very first post. One of those things a person learns when they grow up is that the fact that they feel they are right or enlightened doesn’t mean they are in any kind of cosmic sense. All this is just opinions, and you seem to feel that because you have the proper opinion, you get some pass in regard to how you relate to others. Well, too bad. Take the halo off and have a little humility, kid.
It’s not worth my time to repeat everything I’ve already said, Excalibre, and frankly it seems like the air on your planet is a little too thin, but I just thought this was funny:
When grow up, bring pie.
Hey, look! I’m younger than you! How doubly ironic this makes your childish attempt to correct people who have the temerity not to share your “enlightened” views.
Have a nice day, Excalibre. Buh-bye now.