I have to say that’s a great post. And I’m a Republican.
I said it somewhere else here but what’s going on now with the Democrats is what I saw going on with the Republicans a few years back and the Tea Party.
People are getting sick of the same old same old. They want serious change on both sides.
I’m not holding my breath on this one.
The list of Trump’s potential SCOTUS appointments, from The Donald himself as aided and abetted by the Federalist and Heritage Foundations, has been a matter of public knowledge for many months.
For example, see this article by Amanda Marcotte: http://www.salon.com/2016/11/27/now-trump-gets-the-supreme-court-and-the-damage-may-be-irreversible/
Where the writer goes into how the two main sides in the election focused on completely different areas of concern, I she is spot on. Conservative media focused on the judiciary, and their audience knew that a veritable wet dream of a strongly right wing SCOTUS was within their grasp. And you know what? They grasped it, almost guaranteeing a decade or two of reactionist rulings.
And meanwhile, much of the the left wing focused on emails and corruption, concurrently building HRC into a supervillain worthy of a Marvel comic book. So it didn’t matter to them that McConnell and the Republicans had to be stopped, not even after they refused to consider Merrick Garland’s appointment.
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I hate and fear the outcome, I am overcome with dread, and I gotta say that I’m hearing Doggy and Bouncer. What I think Doggy is saying is–more of the same isn’t helping, let’s burn it down and see what happens.
And from his perspective, I can’t say he’s wrong. All kinds of terrible shit is happening, Walter Scott is just the latest iteration of that, and liberal politics and politicians don’t seem to be able to stem the tide. HRC is just another shill for the oligarchy, and I don’t believe in her “policies” for a second. The minute the oligarchy is inconvenienced in the slightest, it all goes out the door.
The Dems DID manipulate the playing field and were bound and determined to nominate the one candidate who could lose to Trump. That’s undeniable. It speaks volumes to what politics is really all about–keeping thems that have in the money. Bernie would have upset the applecart and cost too many people too much money, power and influence. The elites that Doggy and Bouncer are referring to fear that way more than they fear a Trump presidency, I think.
If we survive what’s to come, maybe, just maybe, something different will happen next time. And maybe that’s preferable to death by a thousand cuts.
I don’t really have the conviction that Doggy and Bouncer seem to have, but I can see where they are coming from.
But to “burn it down and see what happens” incurs whatever damage will be done to those who are vulnerable for any reason to those in positions of power. The voters who opted for the burn-it-down route have said, as unambiguously as possible, that they didn’t give a shit about the vulnerable.
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I just discovered that if I drink large amounts of whiskey I stop caring about the election for 4-6 hours. This is awesome.
Sure you can look at it that way. You can also insist the moon is made of green cheese, but it doesn’t make it true.
So here’s an alternative theory not based on hating “the vulnerable”. Whoever the fuck that is. Maybe these voters were saying that the principle of democracy is more important in the long run. That we the people do not want preordained candidates selected by the back room regardless of their “good intentions”. Because these voters understand that way paves the road to hell.
You and others don’t seem to trust that democratic process though. You think you know better than the great unwashed. Here’s the thing. You forget that that same democratic process, trusting the illiterati, IS what selected both an unknown Arkansas Governor and an unknown Illinois Senator. Both of whom turned out, on balance, to be among the better Presidents we have had within our lifetimes. Neither would have ever made it past the back room. That’s plain truth.
So the evidence seems to be that you should stop trying to jury rig the process, and you’ll likely end up with another solid candidate. Not one who’s negative ratings always outran their positive ratings. You know, someone we the people could actually vote for, instead of having to vote against some other pile of dog shit.
Because that really was the argument boiled down. “Vote for the crook, it’s important.” And enough people said “Nope, not doing it. Go Fuck Yourselves. Gonna go vote for a fucking GREEN PARTY candidate or a pot smoking LIBERTARIAN instead because if I choose either of those… at least I’m NOT choosing dog shit, or dog shit.”.
And those people cost you the Presidency. I bet they sleep soundly at night too, because they have better reasons for their vote than “well the other pile of dog shit might be worse”.
I know I do.
Regards,
-Bouncer-
Consider switching to the cheap stuff after the fourth drink or so. Also, remember to hydrate! Oh, and while I do not judge, once you start shitting blood, it might be time cut back a skoosh. 
Regards,
-Bouncer-
I would think that Doggy counts as one of the vulnerable.
When I wake up each morning there are about ten to fifteen seconds of bliss before I remember. Add all those up and they’re pretty good times.
The problem isn’t Trump, the problem is the person we put up to lose against that living bobble head (as bouncer so eloquently puts it). As you dismiss the concerns of all the Obama voters who couldn’t, wouldn’t or had to swallow hard to vote for Hillary, you are falling into the same trap I see here in SDMB almost daily. Everyone that doesn’t agree with me must be a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, or a poopyhead idiot. Reasonable people can disagree on the value of electing a wild card like Trump over a proven low grade (hard working, competent, intelligent) evil like Hillary.
I also think that a lot of people have culture war fatigue. We wanted gays in the military, good, we oughta do that. Then we wanted gay marriage, well, umm, OK I guess that’s good too. Now its forcing nuns to fill out a piece of paper to allow their employees to get birth control pills and forcing florists and bakers to serve gay marriages and BLM riots over bullshit.
In the meanwhile, large tracts of the USA has had chronic unemployment because the Democrats became Republican lite and bought into the corporatist, globalist plutocracy. But they’re racists, bigots and idiots for voting for someone who promises to change that? They have families to feed, they have children they want to see succeed, they still have some hopes and dreams left and damning them for choosing to re-ignite the embers of their hopes and dreams over continuing the march of this culture war that has little to no relevance in their lives is understandable.
I submit that a lot of people here live in a bubble.
If you have not had food and drink with Trump voters while politely discussing the election, then I submit you are living in an echo chamber.
Yeah but he doesn’t know what’s good for him. Let US tell you what’s in your best interests.