Well, it’s a little silly to be complaining about health concerns if second hand vape is less dangerous than say eating a salad with ranch dressing.
I actually don’t mind vape free areas. But FFS, let’s not restrict them as heavily as we do cigarettes. Let’s give smokers an incentive to put down the cigs and go for vaping instead, and maybe save some lives in the process. Give restaurant and bar owners the choice to have vaping areas in their establishments. Might as well. Secondhand vape is a lot easier to contain than secondhand smoke is because it dissipates much quicker and is much heavier than smoke so all the vape gravitates the the floor instead of looming around in the air for hours.
Well, that’s a foolish point seeing that ISIS is worse than vaping. :eek::smack:
I’m all for them having an incentive to stop smoking and not be addicted to nicotine at all. Not dying prematurely is a pretty good incentive. And development of smoking cessation programs is what some cigarette tax money is directed towards (and more should be spent that way). At the same time, saving smokers’ lives does not and should not entail requiring non-smokers to get sick from secondhand chemicals.
Common sense. Having done both I’ve noticed that the vape dissipates much quicker than smoke. Every vaper on the entire planet agrees with this. (Along with anybody who has a basic understanding of physics)
Nicotine, propylene glycol and the various other components of e-cigs including fragrance/flavors that get vented into the atmosphere are elements? Really?
They’ll have to revise the periodic table.
Terrific! Now we don’t have to waste any time and money on actual studies. :dubious:
The nature of smoke is very different from vapor. We don’t need any studies for that, it’s already a known fact. Smoke adheres to everything like a sticky mess. It sticks to walls, it makes a mess of electronic equipment. Seriously, just ask any computer repair guy about what he or she thinks about repairing computer equipment of smokers. They’ll tell you it sucks because all the components are covered in a yellow sticky mess. That kind of shit doesn’t happen with vapers because second hand vape doesn’t produce that sort of residue.
Many years ago, when keyboards were expensive and one could smoke in one’s office, I took a keyboard apart for repair and found an intact cigarette ash one and one half inches long.
Did the report say what devices they tested and for how long? It may have been ego-t batteries with clearomisers, since they mentioned wicks. I use one for three or four days. I wonder if the heavy metals are given off for the first few “puffs” or for the life of the clearomiser. If it were the solder joint deteriorating, I should think the solder joint would fail rather quickly. I also wonder what type of cheap solder the Chinese use, who make most of these.
I remember the “Don’t pollute” campaigns of the 1970s, when “don’t pollute” meant don’t throw food wrappers and other litter, soda cans, and such on the ground, find a trashcan, was met with “Why me?” why should I throw my trash away when the streets are already littered? If you were born before about 1976, you remember when there was a ton of paper trash everywhere, and stores had signs up that said “Trash cans inside for customers only.” Municipalities finally wised up and put transcans on corners, and the litter cleared up-- that, and a “Keep America Beautiful” campaign connected with the bicentennial. But anyway, people actually argued that what was one more candy bar wrapper or Coke can?
The “I should be able to vape anywhere I want” has a really familiar ring to it.
But that shouldn’t be surprising, since smokers never seem to get that butts are litter. There are actually signs around this city that say “No littering: $500 fine first offense. THIS INCLUDES CIGARETTE BUTTS.”
Because the lesser damage to the health of smokers is more important than whatever the nicotine and allergy-inducing scents in the vapor might be doing to non-smokers whop have no choice in the matter.
The idea that vapor is without any consequences is still speculation. Nicotine is a poison, and the other ingredients in the vapor may not be as sticky as smoke, but they may be a lot stickier than normal breath vapor, and so they may promote the exchange of bacteria and viruses; someone with a cold vaping near you may be more likely to infect you. I don’t know that, but it’s just as fair a guess as the one that the stuff is completely and utterly harmless.
Nicotine addiction seems to engender an unassailable sense of entitlement.
Events of the past couple decades on the no-smoking front should have put a considerable dent in such attitudes, but diehards keep right on digging a deeper hole for themselves.
Because the lesser damage to the health of smokers is more important than whatever the nicotine and allergy-inducing scents in the vapor might be doing to non-smokers whop have no choice in the matter.
The idea that vapor is without any consequences is still speculation.** Nicotine is a poison, and the other ingredients in the vapor may not be as sticky as smoke, but they may be a lot stickier than normal breath vapor, and so they may promote the exchange of bacteria and viruses; someone with a cold vaping near you may be more likely to infect you.** I don’t know that, but it’s just as fair a guess as the one that the stuff is completely and utterly harmless.[/QUOTE]
Now you’re just making shit up. Should we really make policy based on such hair brained theories? How about we lean towards the science instead of these wild speculations?
I use a vape pen, not one of the large cloud monster machines. I use plain, tobacco, or menthol flavored juice.
It used to be that I could smoke a single cig outdoors hours before coming home, and just walking through the house without my wife getting within 5 feet of me she would go “ughh you smoked didn’t you? God I can smell it”. Now with a vape pen even with tobacco flavored juice I can be next to her vaping, or even blow the vapor in her face and ask her what she smells and you know what? She replies NOTHING, not a damn thing. She even took the vaporizer and took a drag herself(she has never smoked a cig in her life) and she said while it tasted like pepper she couldn’t detect an odor.
So I am really raising my eyebrow at those that say the vapor smells so strong they are getting headaches etc.
To be fair, there is a strong sense of entitlement on the anti-smoking side as well. Protecting children from second hand smoke at Applebees is fine, but when you can’t smoke at your local dive bar or pub where an overwhelming majority of the patrons smoked all because of busy body legislation there is something wrong with the law. Non smokers weren’t exactly dropping like flies of lung cancer anyway and considering anti smoking laws sprung up in smog ridden cities like LA and Chicago it further undermines the strength of the laws logic.
Except for those of us who literally would have to leave places because of the haze of smoke. And these days, the overwhelming majority of the patrons don’t smoke, so your majority-rules thinking is outdated.
That’s like complaining about making places wheelchair-accessible. “Hey, I don’t see a line of people in wheelchairs who want to come in! It’s not a problem!”
Yes, how greedy it is to expect your neighbors on a plane or in a restaurant not to pollute everyone’s air in pursuit of their addictive habit.
Even with allowing for the accuracy of that “overwhelming majority” claim and dismissing the rights of the “underwhelming” minority, there are workers in those establishments who should not be denied the right to a safe workplace.*
*and before we hear yet again that those workers can just find a job elsewhere - no, they can’t always do that. And we do not excuse unsafe working conditions in any field of employment on the grounds that employees chose to work there.
First, they came for cigarette smokers.
I wasn’t a cigarette smoker, so I didn’t speak out.
Then, they came for cigar smokers.
I wasn’t a cigar smoker, so I didn’t speak out.
Then, they came for tobacco chewers.
I wasn’t a tobacco chewers, so I didn’t speak out.
And they they came for vaper…And there was no one left to speak out for me…
It’s funny seeing all the wailing and the teeth-gnashing from the vaper crowd. There’s absolutely nothing you can do to have vaping being treated any differently than “regular” smoking. Tomorrow, there might be a report, saying second-hand vaping (is there even such a thing?) is safer than breathing air in a medium-sized city. It doesn’t matter. Vaping will be restricted in the same manner as smoking. Period.
That’s why you gotta admire NRA. They know that giving in even an inch of the ground, on any issue, will lead to further regulations, restrictions and prohibitions, before an inevitable ban.
:eek::smack: