Except, of course, that smoking isn’t banned. It’s prohibited in (most) public places, but nobody’s telling you you can’t smoke in circumstances where you can keep your smoke and smell to yourself.
Which is only fair. Just because you have a right to smoke if you want to doesn’t mean that you have a right to get it all over everybody else. Describing “keep your smoke to yourself” laws as an outright “ban” on smoking is just melodramatic self-pity on the part of smokers.
NRA theatrics about hypothetical “bans” are equally pointless.
Well, the city of Belmont, for example prohibits smoking pretty much anywhere, including your car.
The city of San Rafael for example prohibits smoking (and if I’m reading it correctly) vaping in any multi-house unit.
So, say you live in a semi-attached house. And you and your neighbor are just incorrigible vapers (not even “regular” smokers). Well, you’d be both breaking the law if you lighted up inside your own homes.
That opinion piece was written before the ban was finalized. Any cite showing it’s illegal to smoke in your car there?
It seems the major angst over that law was among smokers living in apartments/attached housing who think they have a complete right to expose neighborhoods to secondhand smoke and other hazards, as one of the ordinance supporters noted:
“He finally decided he had had enough after a fire broke out in a smoker’s room in the complex in 2003, a blaze that was fed by the tenant’s oxygen tank.”
As for vapids, common sense would dictate that you don’t overdo it in your apartment with your vapid buddies and annoy neighbors. But common sense is not a commodity in widespread use among nicotine addicts.
Good lord, you’re really showing your ignorance here. Do you really think secondhand vape is going to seep through the walls like secondhand smoke does? Are you really that fucking ignorant on the subject?
And stop using “vapid”, that’s our word.
Maybe the wacky flavors really do have strong smells, but I have already posted in this thread that vapor has almost no smell even to rapid cig haters.
AHA! The science of common sense and the “everybody on the planet agrees” argument! Along with the “anybody with a basic understanding of physics” shin-kicker!
Come on, you’ve been here long enough, if you demand science you also must present actual science.
I have no dog in this fight but as a former long-time smoker (25 years), I don’t have a problem with e-cigs, although, I do believe we should be attempting to curb nicotine addiction. Any addictive substance that can be sold legally for massive profits for tobacco, Big Pharma, alcohol companies is a slippery slope.
While e-cigs definitely have less health hazards than smoking due to their different method of intake, it does not help with getting off nicotine.
It’s kinda like if they were to invent a heroin pill, sure there’s less mucky-muck with the needles and such, but it doesn’t help the addict out any.
Relax, son.
I’m not debating with you, I was just pointing out that statements beginning in “I’ve noticed”, “Everyone agrees” or “anyone who understands basic physics” are not strong foundations for an argument.
Besides, anyone who understands basic physics would know that hot and cold are relative terms.
Earlier I posted about seeing a group of vapids in action at a local vape shop one night. It looked like a dense London fog in there.
Get several vapids going full-bore in an apartment, and it wouldn’t be surprising if the fragrance odor (plus stray nicotine and other interesting chemicals) seep into neighboring apartments.
So from years of experience, I know that a cloud of cigarette smoke like that will move out into the street, penetrate into clothing, and seep into the very walls of the building. If there are neighbors, they’ll be affected.
I realize that a fog of vapor looks similar…but I’m not convinced that looking like smoke means it acts like smoke. I’m not trying to bag on you, J-man, and I agree it wouldn’t be *surprising *if it seeped. But I don’t have any evidence that it does, or that any contaminants (in any appreciable amounts) will move into neighboring units.
Did you read my post? I said I was making that up. The whole point was that I was making it up. People advocating vaping be treated as having no more effect on others than gum-chewing are making stuff up, so I said, “Here, let me make something up as well,” just to show that my made up stuff was equally plausible. This is why we need research.
Let me share my tale about the time I went into the woods and sat amongst my fellows while wood was burnt. The foul cloud emitted by the fire seemed to follow me no matter how many times I chose a new seat. To this day I can still remember my eyes watering.
