I take back what I said re: Constantine

While I haven’t started reading the series yet, my first opinion of Keanu playing in a comic book movie was “Hah, yeah right.”

After just coming back from seeing Constantine, I must say I was impressed. He managed to change his facial expressions several times during the movie, and pulled off a smartass quite nicely. Not saying this was the best movie ever made, but I went in expecting total crapfest, and came out pleasently surprised. Anyway, I’ll be starting the series as soon as my books get here from Amazon…can’t wait!

I can’t wait to hear from someone who’s read actually SWAMP THING and HELLBLAZER first and then saw the movie.

Also, I can’t wait to hear back from xgxlx after reading HELLBLAZER and then has a chance to reassesses the movie CONSTANTINE in the proper context.

This movie can’t be good. I mean … it’s fucking Keeanu!! Doesn’t he fucking wield a magic crossbow or some bullshit?

I understand why a lot of people dislike him, but Keeanu is in a hell of a lot of good movies. If nothing else, he knows how to pick them, and he manages to keep his lack of acting ability from hurting good pictures too much.

But John Constantine? It’s fucking Keeanu!

It’s like Lennox Lewis playing Blade!

Diehard fan of Swamp Thing and Hellblazer checking in. Too tired to write a proper review, but the short version is: I liked it for what it was, until the third act.

Hellblazer hat, off: I liked it, especially through the first two acts. The movie is much slower paced than one might expect, and has an interesting noir meets Hieronymous Bosch vibe that I quite liked. Keanu Reeves definitely brings his A-game to the acting. I think the filmmakers kept him looking a little too baby-faced throughout, especially because it seems that no matter what happens to him, he’s incapable of being physically bruised or bloodied, but that’s certainly not the actor’s fault. To the extent I think someone as young and pretty as he is is capable of looking world weary and cynical, he was decent. There’s no getting around the fact that he’s a limited actor, but he could have been a lot worse.

The plot? On its own terms, it works more than it doesn’t. Yes, there are some lapses in logic, but I thought the script was tighter than the average Hollywood effects film. There’s plenty to pick apart if one’s so inclined, but it’s not a gaping mess.

The “water as a conduit between planes of existence” bit didn’t work at all well to me, and resulted in some many close-ups of bare feet that I started to wonder who on the crew was indulging in a foot fetish.

There was certainly some cringe-inducing dialogue, but this aspect was better than I expected after seeing the trailer.

I thought the third act, when occult noir transforms into a generic action film that relied heavily on gadgets, was a victim of the average action movie cliches, and that was where disappointment set in. Almost all those scenes from the trailers and commercials that have given pause? Third act. The devil’s motivation at a crucial point was particularly inexplicable. At least the script avoided a partciularly cliched ending I feared. The after-the-credits scene left all the members of my group wondering about what should have been a key plot point, and I almost wish I hadn’t seen it.

Hellblazer hat on. Better than we’d feared, but it’s not really a Hellblazer movie in fundamental ways that have nothing to do with hair color, dress sense, location, or the pronunciation of “Constantine.” I originally hoped that this movie would be so far divorced from Hellblazer that I could easily separate the two, as with I, Robot. That didn’t happen, with mixed results.

There were a lot of nods and plot elements borrowed from Original Sins and Dangerous Habits. Beforehand, I would have guessed that stew would have been unpalatable at best, but in fact most of the time they worked very well. I particularly enjoyed the nod to Mnemoth, which was handled in a visually clever manner.

What follows are only the mildest sort of spoilers, but I’ll box them just to be on the safe side:

one of the elements I like best about Hellblazer is the injection of the superhnatural in perfectly mundane objects and settings. With a film this stylized, most of the time nothing is mundane, and that opens the way to the reliance on objects. One often felt that anyone could do magic, if only they had access to the “stuff.” I greatly prefer a mage whose power stems from knowledge and will rather than holy relics.

The element I think Hellblazer fans will object to most strongly is Constantine’s motivation and attitude toward God and heaven. I love the idea of someone who has absolute evidence of the existence of God and the Devil, and dislikes them both. There are elements of that present in the film, but for the most part, John’s motivation is to get into heaven to avoid hell, not to kick God in the teeth as he so richly deserves.

Overall, I think it’s better than many of the negative reviews would have one believe but it’s sufficiently flawed that I recommend it primarily for genre fans. Hellblazer purists should avoid the movie at all costs. I wish we had received a real Hellblazer film, but this could have been a lot worse.

I’ve been reading the reviews over at Rotten Tomatoes, and I’m appalled at how sloppy some of them are. I noticed several outright errors in describing key plot elements that were clearly explained in the film, for example, and don’t even get me started on how outright wrong many of the statements about the comic were. Ordinarily I’m happy with th quality most of the reviews I read there, but for some reason the fact that the movie was based on a comic book source seems to have blinded many reviewers into not looking at what was on screen. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen that sort of “it’s based on a comic, so it can’t be any good” reviews, of course, but this one seems to be drawing an unusual amount of knee-jerk reactions.

I know nothing of the comic book(s?) from which this movie was developed, so I went in basically knowing nothing of what “should” have been. And I rather enjoyed it. Keanu was Keanu, perhaps a little better than normal, but still in Matrix mode. I like Rachel Weisz a lot and she did not disappoint. The story was a little convoluted, IMO, and the final act didn’t devolve into CGI hell like Van Helsing or Hellboy (which I quite liked, btw) but did leave me a little confused. All in all, I would say 2 1/2 * out of 4.

OK, Selkie, what is the key plot point regarding the after-credit scene?

I, too, am curious about the after-credit scene. My instincts told me “Hey stay, there’s probably something after the credits!”, but my bladder said “Let’s go!”

Actually, no, his motivations were explained, thought it was hard to hear because he explained it in a very quiet voice.

mega-spoilers!!!

He didn’t want his son taking over Earth - he’s already claimed it. One reviewer was so blind, he didn’t even recognize why the devil saved John’s life, either - even though I though it was bone-obvious.

Yeah, I saw the “blind” reviewer’s comment and chuckled softly. That was the kind of reviewing sloppiness I was referring to earlier. I also loved the one about the movie being based on the comic strip Hellblazer. Yeah, that runs in the Sunday paper right next to Family Circle. :rolleyes:

I saw and agree with all the things you said in your spoiler tag, but those aren’t the points that confused me. The part of the devil’s motivation I thought was unexplained (and crucial to what came seconds later) was:


Why did the devil offer to give John what he wanted, and subsequently release Isabelle to heaven? At that point, he’d foiled his son’s plot with the information JC had given him freely without any conditions or stipulations (right?), and Constantine was already dying. Why not just say “Thanks for the info, John” and take him directly to Hell before he could make his selfless request?

Did I miss something?

As for those posters who wanted to know what happened after the credits:

Constantine visits Chaz’s grave, and puts the lighter on top of the marker. After he turns his back and walks away, we see Chaz with angel wings alighting to heaven. I think we’re meant to believe that he was a half breed helping John all along, but maybe this was some sort of heavenly reward?

Oh, and for those who’ve seen the movie:

What’s the deal with the “half-breeds”? Where are they supposed to have come from? “Half-breed” implies to me that they’re half human/half demon (or angel), but if angels and demons aren’t supposed to come onto the human plane of existence, how did they manage to sneak to Earth and produce all those kids?

It’s true that isn’t really explained. I didn’t think it was too important, either.

Maybe he felt like giving John some sort of “reward” for saving the Earth for Satan(if ironically) or maybe he wouldn’t have given John his life extension had he asked. He’s a character we only meet briefly anyway, and certainly can’t quite comprehend in total. Maybe it was a sort of requirement - Satan couldn’t stand being in John’s debt, even if he didn’t want to honor it. Certainly, the sort of souce material for the movie (if not specifically Hellblazer) portrays Satan as being extremely honorable, contract-wise. In fact, that same source material sort of explains why Gabe was harping about the ‘rules’ - and in the end the Higher Power broke them. Take a look at some versions of Faust, for example: Satan keeps his bargains, but God goes around breaking Satan’s contracts!

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[spoiler]What’s the deal with the “half-breeds”? Where are they supposed to have come from? “Half-breed” implies to me that they’re half human/half demon (or angel), but if angels and demons aren’t supposed to come onto the human plane of existence,

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[spoiler]The do explain this and don’t worry about the name. They’re just the official representatives of both sides. They’re half-breeds because of their function, not station. It’s really just another way John was dicking everyone around. PS: I loved the amusing little trick one of them did, turning water into wine, in the bar. Boy, that’s gotta cut into the bottom line! :smiley:

Whoa.

Hmmm… I got a different impression of the devil’s motivation.

I thought he saved Constantine because he wanted Constantine’s soul. If Constantine died then, he would go to Heaven due to his self sacrifice. In saving him, the devil is giving him the opportunity to screw up again and thus get his soul.

I admit, I’m pretty tired and may have missed something in the previous posts, but that’s the impression I got.

And a quesiton for long time Hellblazer fans

I read Swamp Thing and Hellblazer for a while and quit. I know that Constantine was supposed to have come down with lung cancer as he did in the movie. How did he get rid of it in the comics? Was it similar to the movie?

Thanks.

Hmmm… I got a different impression of the devil’s motivation.
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I admit, I’m pretty tired and may have missed something in the previous posts, but that’s the impression I got.
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I agree that’s what they were going for.

The first thing to know is that in the Hellblazer-verse, hell is actually ruled by a triumvirate of Lucifer, Beelzebub, and Azrael (I think). In the first issue of the Dangerous Habits series, John foils Lucifer’s bargain for the soul of one of John’s mates by tricking the devil into drinking Holy Water, thus keeping him from collecting the friend’s soul by midnight, as stated in their contract. So now he’s dying, and Lucifer himself is royally pissed at him. So, John summons up Beelzebub and Azrael separately and sells his soul to each of them (I don’t think we actually find out what his price was, though someone maybe along to correct me on that). Then John slits his wrists, whereupon all three hells appear, since they are all pledged to take him to hell - Lucifer by right of insult and the other two through their bargaining, each having been to greedy to get the soul of John Constantine to check him first and make sure it wasn’t spoken for. Therefore, when John dies, they will be obligated to go to war over his soul. Realizing that this will count as a pretty big victory for the other side, Lucifer then heals John, making sure that the process hurts as much as possible and generally being even more pissed off. Naturally, Constantine can’t resist being a smartarse and gives them all the finger as he leaves.

Here’s a Village Voice review. Seems mostly pissed about the relocation of the setting to LA.

Whoa Is Me: Keanu Dons Noir Drag for Infernal Adventure

Um…all I can say is, if you’re not a fan of the comic books, you’ll probably like it. If you are, you most likely won’t. If you hate Keanu Reeves, you won’t like it, either. In the end, the movie still wins because you watched it, no matter who you are.

I’ve never read the comics – I thought the moview was OK. Not something I’d buy the DVD for, or see again, but not something I disliked either.

Does nyone else think Tilda Swinson (Gabriel) will make an excelent white witch in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe?
Brian

Well, I probably won’t be seeing it then; I can’t stand movies where the CGI overwhelms the story.

I didn’t know she would be Jadis until my friend told me.

I think she will make a wonderful Jadis

Literally, ROFL.

Just chiming in to say that I saw this yesterday. I thought Keanu Reeves sucked in this flick. He did OK in the Matrix and some other movies, but in this one he couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag. The plot was too, I dunno, muddled. I couldn’t keep all the elements straight. Too many characters with too many purposes to keep track of. The photography was good, comic-booky in the way that movies based on comic books should be. But the writing stunk, and Keanu’s acting stunk.

Oh, and I agree with Odinoneeye about the devil’s reason. It seemed obvious to me in spite of all the other crap I didn’t get.

Maybe if I kept up with Hellblazer I could get all the little plot points and stuff. But I was bored because there was too much little stuff to keep track of.