That’s total BS, man. Archaeology has proven time and time again that the events of the Bible are not myth. I’ve never heard of one archaeological find that contradicts the Bible either. Years ago, atheists were boldly claiming that the Hittites of the Bible were myth too until archaelogy made them look like morons.
Wow, atheists apparently don’t know it all! lol
Probably because you carefully avoid reading anything from actual archaeologists. Whether you like it or not, plenty of the Bible has been proven false.
False. As has already been pointed out to you, there never was a global flood. Not ever. Thus, the Tanakh is at least part myth. Since the Bible incorporates the Tanakh, that makes the Bible part myth.
(Is this your thesis, that you will offer up a poorly defended apologia for anything at all related to Christianity?)
This should be an Onion headline.
“Hittites shown to have actually existed, also archeology shows that they were totally a bunch of morons.”
GEEPERS, you have given some reasons why God doesn’t heal amputees – sin, and all that there. But here are some reasons that need to be included in the discussion:[ol][]God doesn’t exist[]God can, but doesn’t wannaGod has limited powers, and can’t.[/ol]Now of all the possible explanations, which one(s), including your suppositions and these, fits the data the best?
So your theory is that god maintains two (or more) realities coexisting at once within the same space and time, correcting any glitches between them on the fly, just so he can hide miracles from the people who don’t already believe in miracles ? Doesn’t that sound like a lot of unnecessary effort to you ?
Not to mention that the big guy never seemed all that coy about stopping the Sun to freak out unbelievers, for example. Or did he part the seas for Moses, but to the Egyptians it looked like the Israelites were just taking a bath ; and if so, if Pharaoh did not see the sea parting, why would he have sent his chariots into the sea ? Did the people of Sodom & Gomorrah who didn’t believe never get rained brimstone on, the people who didn’t believe not get washed away by the Flood ?
… Cause I gotta tell you, in that case not believing seems a whole lot safer
Funny thing, I know miracles are possible, and it is not only non-beliebers that know that, agnostics like me also go for the second definition in the dictionary: “A highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment.” there is no need for signs, the evidence is already there that miracles do happen. It is just that they do not come or depend on what you think they do.
Knowing that miracles are unlikely anyhow, I rather look at science applied to medicine to make the impossible possible:
You’re really saying that believers inhabit a different version of reality from non-believers?
I’m certain that if I visit any church and ask if this is true, the vast majority of Christian believers will say it’s not - and that we all inhabit the same world - why is that? Are they all just wrong? Are they not proper believers?
Did you believe this before ever watching Harry Potter?
Who is preaching moral relativism now? If, as you’ve been arguing, morality comes from God, an evil act is evil regardless of the culture of the time. Your arguments are internally inconsistent.
But what about all the numerous believers who want to show off their miraculous healing to non-believers? If you go looking, you can find tons of people who claim god healed them and will gladly show pictures of before and after to prove it. That doesn’t jibe with the memory-wipe theory you’re proposing.
Personally, I don’t believe a word of the Bible until it is supported by external evidence like archaeology or contemporaneous documents. But even if it was 100% fictitious, there is still a moral dimension to how people talk about it. Hannibal Lector is a fictional character, but I would be disgusted by anyone who defended his behavior. It’s not just about whether things actually happened, it’s about how your view of the story reflects on your sense of morality.
People are supposed to take you seriously when you say things like this:
A tribe of people practiced child sacrifice of some of their children (which I don’t condone one iota), so it’s morally justified to kill ALL of their children. Anyone who would refer to any ethnicity as “human garbage” is morally compromised. You go on by endorsing preemptive murder in the form of genocide.
I take back any positive comment I may have made about you in this thread. It’s taking every ounce of my being to keep from flagrantly breaking the rules of this forum again. I respect the spirit of this forum as a place to exchange ideas, not invective, so I do not intend to respond to you again. I recognize it my own shortcoming that I cannot engage with you without becoming emotional, but I also think it’s a waste of effort to try to convince you of your folly. I hope in time you come to recognize the inherent value of human life and the source of true morality.
GEEPERS, if you wish to engage me directly, send a private message rather than do so here.
To me, no not at all; we are talking about God almighty here after all who watches after every entity and nothing is difficult for. To me we are all God’s children. God is not raising human children, but raising child gods (us). As child gods we are being taught to be gods. Part of that is the ability to create the reality we inhabit.
A philosophical question, can a all mighty God forget He is a God. We are the answer to that question. So what happens if God makes Himself mortal, He should have that power if He is almighty, again we are the answer to that question. If we believe in the physical world only that is the reality we create for ourselves. It is using our god power in exactly that way.
Also I know that I’m switching between Almighty God and us, but the reason is they are the same and is the meaning of the Hebrew saying ‘God is One’ in the Shema (prayer).
Who knows what the Egyptians saw, but we have some idea from what the world came up with, like not the Read Sea, but the swampland called the Sea of Reads, which with a strong wind in a certain direction drains to dry land. God is indeed merciful and to the egyptians they could have just got their chariots stuck in the mud and decided to turn back rather then risk losing the equipment. But in God’s eyes the Egyptians fell that day to a ‘lower’ level of reality and could no longer touch the Israelites. They were effectively defeated.
While Lot’s wife did save many of Sodom, Yes I believe the rest just fell into a lower level of reality. On a soul level they got burned up to ashes, but on their level life went on as expected and most likely fell onto very hard times such as our great depression or worse.
My take on it is 1: Ask for help & guidance 2: Procede as you would normally in this world (including medical help) unless the guidance seems valid.
I have heard of those who knew they were going to be healed of conditions, so they put off treatment for years, they when it was overly bad they went for the treatment and got a miracle cure beyond what the treatment would accomplish and the message that they were always suppose to continue normally in this world’s treatment to receive the healing.
It’s in scriptures that some people see things that others do not, it doesn’t matter what the ‘vast majority’ of Christians (or for that matter Hindus, Islamics or even democrats) say.
I believe it is also the reason for the apparent contradictions in scriptures. It is God showing us that there is various realities.
So what ever anyone believes, that is reality. Atheist reality, Christian reality, Hindu reality, Muslim reality, Republican reality, Democrat reality. Everybody gets their own reality.
Congratulations. You have rendered the word ‘reality’ meaningless.
