Agreed. No arguments from me. My behaviour is indefensible.
Good for you for taking ownership of your behavior, if that’s what you’re doing here.
It sounds like you got married pretty young and now you have tired of some key aspects of it, like the fact that the only person you should be getting this kind of attention from is your husband and if he doesn’t provide it, you must go without. You have three kids who deserve grown-up parents. That means putting them and their well-being first, not your desire for attention.
Since no one is being abused here and you claim you and their dad have a great relationship, blowing that up so you can lie to yourself about “wanting a guy friend” and pursue extramarital attention is childish and selfish. Maybe you should get a job so you can interact with adults for part of the day. Serving little people’s ceaseless needs may be taking a toll on you that you do not realize.
This thread is hilarious!
Why on earth does it matter if he is single or not, you’re not and it certainly isn’t going to stop you!
Platonic guy friend my arse, you don’t want a guy friend, you want him to hump you senseless. I’ll be utterly shocked if you don’t go through with it, its clear as day that you want to.
Oh I do hope that you update us on the impending cheating and the subsequent marital strife, it should all be good for a laugh.
I dearly hope there’s not a child involved in this train wreck.
There’s four of them…
Then their mother needs to grow up big time.
I think he meant her two kids, then both April and her friend.
Agreed. I actually have been applying for jobs since last September. I’ve found a contract consultant position I may be interested in.
I have three. 7 yr old twins and a 2 yr old
April R, learning you have PCOS changes some things for me, and **sattua **said upthread that this isn’t like you. I wonder if you’re having emotional swings or other emotional disturbances due to the PCOS. Have you changed any medication lately? If this is really unlike you, I think you should call your doctor. Today.
…and a bit of a strange goal as well. It’s sort of like saying I really want a brunette friend, or a left-handed friend or something like that. As alluded to upthread, why not just do whatever it is you do in your life and if a friendship develops (with a guy or otherwise), then so be it.
Eh, really? I have PCOS and I get mood swings when meds change but… I bet any 32-year-old SAHM who got married young, who has 3 kids with a guy who works long hours would easily fall in to this situation. Anyone could, of any age or gender. Attention feels great! Flirting feels great! Being listened to by someone you’re attracted to feels great!
The question is “at what cost?” and how do you reel it back and get yourself out of it, instead of justify your way deeper into it.
I don’t think it’s a thing that happens to people who mess with hormones. I think it’s a thing that happens to people. It happened, she needs to fix it.
I have always had a ton of guy friends – I’m in hard science/engineering, and my classes and workplace have always been overwhelmingly dominated by men. Right now I have what I would call two close guy friends, the kind I can talk to for hours (one long-distance, the other works with me). I’ve talked to them for hours, traveled to one’s city (for work, not specifically to see him) and had dinner with him, gone on business trips with one of them, and earlier in my life (when I was in grad school) had a guy friend I’d stay up until two in the morning talking with.
It’s never been an issue (except in one case I’ll talk about below). It helps that my husband is a super secure, non-jealous guy, but also I have pretty strict boundaries in place. Other people have mentioned similar ones already, but:
a) I never talk to the guy friends about any problems I’m having with my husband (or, before I got married, boyfriend). We talk about books, jobs, kids, family, things that are really awesome about my husband
b) Nothing physical. I literally have never touched any of my guy friends, except the Friend Hug at the beginning and end of a visit (if I don’t see him very often). This also includes things like erotic texting, erotic anything really.
c) If there were feelings/crushes/unrequited love, we never talked about them. (In one case I am pretty much certain he had a crush on me, but I was in a relationship and it was Not Appropriate to talk about it.)
Is this a double standard? A little. I do touch my female friends casually in a way I never would a guy – you know, comforting hand on the shoulder, that kind of thing. But the thing is, there is a cultural difference between what that signals between two women and between a man and a woman.
And if I had been sexting a guy, there is no way I would then go on a trip specifically to see him. That is just really not okay, even if your husband says it is (and honestly, my husband might, because he trusts me to do what is best for our marriage). The reason is because of me – because once I’ve crossed that boundary, it’s not a “safe” relationship any more – because I am now thinking about it in terms of romance rather than in terms of friendship.
Which brings me to the one exception. In a previous relationship I had… issues with one of my exes, who kept wanting to talk about our Feeeeeelings. That… crossed a boundary. And I didn’t want to give up the friendship, so I didn’t just cut him out of my life. And before I knew it I had blown up both that “friendship” and my then-current relationship, and I ended up with both of them out of my life.
Learn from my mistake. Figure out where your boundaries are. And if you cross them, you might have to give up a friendship, and yeah, that super sucks, but it’s better than giving up the friendship and your marriage.
This is solid. From start to finish. April R, if you take nothing else from this thread, I urge you to take this to heart.
This is spot on. I also have several close guy friends. We do not talk about anything erotic and we certainly don’t flirt. I talk to them they way you would talk to a sibling or cousin. If you want to have a long-lasting platonic friendship with a man, you have got to figure out how to separate friendly conversation from flirting.
I’m not on anything right now except Phentermine, been on for three months and only have one month left.
Wow, thank you for sharing. Gives a lot to think about.
This. This is pretty much where I am too. Except I’m a male friend, and the casual hand on the shoulder kind of touch has also worked fine, and discussing marriages is ok with most but not all of my women friends, and it has never lead to any romance or flirting or sexting or any problem I’ve heard about.
I really love my wife. I’m really glad all this works.
I think deep emotional connection with friends is wonderful. It’s one of the most important parts of life. But turning it into a disaster would be a terrible shame.
But maybe an easy trap…
Wrote this today. Never going to show guy friend. Also destroyed the hard copy already.
It’s total stream of consciousness so nitpick away. It just felt good to write it out
"I don’t love you. I have love in my life. I don’t need love. I don’t love you. I actually hate you.
I hate you for getting me. I hate you for being honest and open and telling me things about you that would make most people run. I hate that I don’t want to run.
I don’t love you. I am certain you would find me physically repulsive so I dread you touching me. I hate that I think about you touching me. I think about it all the time.
I don’t love you. I love my husband. I love my family. I love my life. I hate that you make me question my contentment, like happiness is not enough. I hate that I crave your misery.
I hate that you have awakened feelings in me I thought I had banished a lifetime ago. Feelings I thought I had grown out of. Passions lost in time, you revived them from the dust, and I hate you for it.
I don’t love you, because this is more than love. I hate I can’t define this. I hate that our connection goes beyond superficial looks, money, or interests and instead lives in another dimension.
I hate all this, but above all I hate that I don’t really hate you"
Man, that’s some emo bullshit