I want to know why you broke up with me.

Sparked by Kurt Kobain’s little thread on his own unfortunate break up, I have decided to start my own little thread.

I met this girl on the second day of college, and we ended up hooking up on the first night. But, none the less, I did find her to be very cool, and I think that she though so too. We went out for around two months, when I came by her dorm to see if she was interested in catching a movie that night. We needed to talk. She broke up with me. I didn’t really understand it then, and I don’t understand it now.

Before heading out for break, I spent a night with her and saw Lost in Translation, which we both really liked. I found it incredibly cool to hang out with her again, and I sort of assummed that we were headed for getting back together. I was discouraged to learn that she didn’t seem to see this in the same way.

Now I want to know why.

If you want to throw in your own diagnosis, go right ahead. But more than this specific relationship, I want to pit the whole idea that you shouldn’t say why you are breaking up with someone. No, nobody wants to hear that you’re a sophmoric, whiney little twit that can never find street addresses, is directionally challenged, common sense challanged, tries and completely fucking fails at being cute, and has a consistent holier than thou religious attitude (oops, sorry, another relationship leaking in there). But damnit, people can change. We all get “giddy” when we are around people that we assume like us unconditionally. We can all shape up and be a lot cooler when we realize that we are annoying people.

So, fuck this concept of politeness in relationships, I want to know why I am just so god-damned objectionable.

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A lot of omen aren’t going to tell you the “why”. One of the main reasons is what you say here:

We don’t want to hear the “I can change, I can be whatever you need me to be” speech. No one does. If “it’s” not there, then it’s not there. And two months is a reasonable time for your ex to have discovered that for her, “IT” wasn’t there.

This doesn’t mean that any thing is wrong with you at all. It just means that what you have to offer romantically didn’t mesh with who she is.

Did you try asking her why?

If you have hung out with her since the break up, then it doesn’t sound like she finds you objectionable at all. OTOH, you started a relationship when neither of you actually knew the other at all - the chances of you actually being compatible in a romantic sense were very low indeed. Turned out that she didn’t feel that way, two months seems a reasonable time to come to that judgement, what’s the need for the big analysis?

You’re OK, you don’t need to change. She’s quite happy to hang out with you, she just doesn’t want to have a romantic relationship with you. And in that case, there’s nothing you can do TO change. If the spark’s not there, it’s not there. It doesn’t mean there’s anything inherently wrong with you, you’re just not right for her. There’s nothing to discuss, so why discuss it?

(And a man saying: “I can change” is not a turn on. If I like you, I like you for everything you are, good and bad. The whole point of a relationship is that you can get over the bits you don’t like. If you can’t, there’s no relationship).

Hmmm. All that makes perfect sense to ME, but I can see it might be a bit muddled to someone else. Maybe this is why we prefer not to discuss the reasons…

I’ve got to agree with threemae here, but I’ve had a relationship end in a particularly bad way. You see, it was a long-distance romance and, not only did he not tell me why it was over, he didn’t tell me that it was over. Seriously. He just quit returning my calls and, eventually I started to realize I was never going to see or hear from him again. We were engaged, although we’d agreed I was going to finish my Associates degree before I moved to be closer to him. He’d also been my best friend back when we’d been living in the same state.

Knowing why does help, even if the relationship is quite throroughly dead. On the other hand, I know of at least two long dead relationships where one person has no idea why it ended and the other person knows exactly why because they told that person, they thought quite explicitly and clearly. That might even have been the case with my relationship.

People aren’t always upfront and honest, and sometimes the truth is painful and uncomfortable. I used to go to church with a fellow who was interested in me. I couldn’t tell him, “I don’t want to date you because you’re too easy going and it would be too easy for me to walk all over you.” I couldn’t even tell him, “I don’t want to hang out with you because you talk during movies.” I can even see not knowing why something isn’t working out, but still being sure it isn’t.

I agree with Avenger. Two months isn’t all that unreasonable, and it may be she doesn’t want a relationship with anyone right now. It doesn’t have to be you, threemae, and, in fact, I doubt that it’s entirely one person or another. Besides, what puts one person off could be just what someone else is looking for.

I’m a woman who’s too intelligent for my own good. I’ve had marvellous conversations with guys in bars covering politics, religion, current events, etc. and thoroughly enjoyed myself only to have them say, “You’re scary.” On the other hand, in my current social circle, intelligence and an ability to talk or bullshit about anything is sexy. You can see why I prefer current company.

I am sorry it hurts, and I wish you luck and healing. Keep telling yourself you’re better off until you believe it.
CJ

Here’s the problem with not knowing why…

Let’s say “Why” = x

The EX doesn’t want to tell you X. If the EX told you X, then you’d try to fix X, change X, say X will go away. Even when you know the Ex is really the Ex, you still think a LOT about X. Haunting, I admit.

HOWEVER…

If the Ex doesn’t tell you X, then you’ll start to question everything about yourself, wondering if Why may be “Y”, when really it’s X. Soon enough, you’re questioning the whole damn alphabet. It’s a downward spiral of self-doubt.

So as for Why the Ex should tell you X ~ it’s so you don’t make yourself crazy wondering if Y might me Why.

You can’t, and shouldn’t, change yourself in order to be with someone. If a person doesn’t want to be with you for everything that you are, the relationship does not stand a chance.

Since she likes hanging out with you, I would assume the problem would be that of chemistry, which a few other posters mentioned. If she’s not attracted to you, she will never be the right person for you.

~J

“Nonetheless”?

I disagree on “changing oneself” in order to stay in or have a relationship. Some people’s relationship show-stoppers are another person’s personality quirks that are not inherent to their soul. If you can make a subtle change in your personality, or even better yet, a subtle change in the way you present yourself, then no harm is done and everyone’s happy, right?

Unless the SO doesnt really know why they are breaking up with you, in which case they should say that, or they want to “win” by not giving you the chance to change.

Of course, some things are too big to change in order to make a relationship work, but you never know till you try.

CanvasShoes, I guess I’m not really hell-bent on restarting a relationship. It’s my first year of college, I’ve met other attractive people, and again, we were only together for two months. This doesn’t just apply to past relationships, you can use it for future ones. If there just isn’t “chemistry”, that’s fine. But hey, that’s a reason two. I haven’t been able to figure out much about what women mean when they refer to “chemistry”, but it generally seems to be regarded as some sort of immutable universal force that can be altered only by god. Whatever.

But that’s a perfectly valid reason. Just say it. CheekyMonkey is on to what I am saying. You start wondering about any number of things outside of probable reasons, and it would be nice to have a general idea of what was the problem.

Perfectly valid reason to break up with someone, but also a perfect example of a highly obnoxious, specific behavior that can be altered. I suppose that the first one ws a little tougher.

I agree that there might be a number of dumb things (like talking during movies) that can be changed. My goodness, take the relationship element out of it—do you really think that each person’s quirks are cemented by the time they are dating age? If someone is clueless about talking in movies (or making sucking sounds when they drink from a straw, or something else of that nature) then no matter if you are a relative, friend or potential SO, you should tell them that it is annoying. The only way they’ll learn is if they’re told.

We are not married to every stupid quirk. Even stuff like “You tend to interrupt” should be addressed (in a kind way). Doesn’t mean that you’ve got to stick with a person who is annoying, but some quirks are really best being addressed.

I think it’s cruel to not tell someone that some stupid thing that they don’t realize is annoying is what’s really driving you bat-shit. They can’t figure out what’s bugging you but you won’t tell them what it is? I think that’s cruel.

Okay, I kind of got off on a tangent there, but I hope I made my point.

Except that people who are attracted to one another do not break up over “stupid quirks.” They correct them: “Would you stop freaking talking during movies? It drives me nuts!” Or (more nicely): “You know I value our conversations, but I wonder if you realize how often you interrupt me. I wish you wouldn’t do that; it makes me feel you’re not listening to me.”

Even people who are attracted to each other enough to pursue a LTR do not think every single thing about the other person is perfect in every way. (Not after the initial starry-eyed phase, anyway.) When two people spend a lot of time together, much less live together or have a committed relationship, they have to make a thousand tiny adjustments to the personality and behavior of the other person – and this they do (we all do) in the course of investing in the relationship. So what does it say about the relationship if one person is not willing to do that anymore – to overlook the minor annoyances or work with the other person to change them? It says that person is not interested in the relationship anymore, because if they really were, they wouldn’t break up over it. The bottom line is that people do not break up over piddling shit. Even if you hear someone say “I could not stand for one more day they way he/she hogged the covers,” the truth is that if that was really the only thing wrong, you’d live with it or you’d fix it.

So IMO “What’s wrong with me?” is a deceptive question because it assumes there is one or two simple, identifiable things that a person does that he or she could just stop doing (or do differently) and presto! the relationship is fixed! We are happy again! But even if the person leaving was to identify those things as the things that are bugging him/her to death now, those things are only symptoms or embodiments of the harsher, deeper truth: I’m just not interested in you anymore. I’m not attracted to you anymore. I don’t want to be with you anymore. If it were as simple as “stop doing X and I’ll love you forever,” the person would tell you that, not break up with you. A break- up is “I don’t want to be in a relationship with you anymore.” That is not caused by too much talking or not enough talking or failing to hang up your towel or insisting on having the window open at night. And it can’t be fixed by fixing any or all of those things.

(IME, the only time “what’s the problem” conversations work is when the two people are already committed and willing to put in the time and effort to fix serious problems – like, say, a perceived lack or respect (which can be perceived to be manifested by something as simple as not hanging up a towel, when you know perfectly well it drives your mate crazy that you don’t do so). But if you’re not building on an already committed relationship, then it is unlikely you will be willing to put in that much effort, when it’s easier to just say “sayonara.”)

So the whole “tell me what’s wrong” thing wrongly persumes people break up with each other over stupid little easily correctable things. They don’t. They break up when one party gets the feeling that the relationship is not working and for whatever reason is not worth the work of salvage. What can that person tell the other person at that point that would be of any use at all? And it’s not easy to articulate why you’d leave someone without being extraodinarily hurtful: I’m just not attracted to you anymore. You bore me now. I want to be with other people, not with you. Those are the real reasons people break up; now tell me how it would help you one iota to have someone “honestly” tell you so. If you’ve ever been on the receiving end of such questions, and you’ve tried to answer them honestly, then you know just how pointless and painful they are:

“Why are you breaking up with me?”
“Well, to be honest, I’m just not attracted to you anymore.”
“You’re not? Why not? Tell me. Be honest.”
“Uh, okay. You’re really too skinny to be my type; I don’t know why I didn’t notice that before.”
“I can gain weight! I’ll put on some weight!”
“No, it’s not just that . . .”
“Well, what else?”
“Jeez. Okay. The way you stand, you sort of slouch, like you don’t have a spine, and when you walk you clump down the street.”
“I’ll stand up straight! I’ll walk more gracefully!”

. . . . And so the horrible conversation continues, until you get down to “your eyes are too close together,” and what are you going to do about that, huh? Meanwhile, you will continue to hear “It’s not just that . . .” and while you attempt to extract an exhaustive list of what it is, you will miss the main point, which is that what it is is that the person just isn’t attracted to you anymore, which is what he or she said in the first place.

So you both leave the conversation exhausted, he or she feeling terrible for having hurt you, even though you demanded “honesty,” and you feeling like absolute unattractive shit, with a laundry list of things you’d apparently better change if you want to ever have a relationship again, because you’ve bought into the fallacy that if someone breaks up with you there must be something wrong with you, as opposed to something wrong with them, like that they just aren’t the one for you.

So leave aside the pipe dream that there is something minor and fixable that caused the breakup. Recognize that it is fundamental incompatibility that causes people to walk away from one another – things about you that cannot be easily changed, and very likely shouldn’t be changed, because they make you who you are.

Assume that the reason for the breakup is in reality something inarticulate, painful, and harsh, like “I’m just not attracted to you anymore” or “I’d rather be with other people” or “you bore me now.” Then come back and tell me how your life, in either the short term or the long term, would be in anyway improved by having someone you care about tell you that.

Move on with your life, keep in touch with the girl, and ask her why in three years. Actually, whatever it was will prolly be evident to you by then.

The reasons I’ve broken up with people:

90% of the time: I got bored.
5%: Relationship was going nowhere fast (took us 2 months to hold hands).
5%: He was too damn clingy.

Now, I’m still friends with almost all of my ex’s (except for two).

Would you REALLY want a girl to say, “Well, I just got bored with you. Sorry. Not attracted to you like that anymore.”

We know that if it’s not a mutual breakup, the other person will be like, “I can change! What’s boring, blah blah blah.” We’ve already made up our minds. If we wanted you to change, yeah, you’d be changed, hehe. Trying for a clean breakup, trying not to hurt your feelings. At least, with all the women I know.

The only time I would tell a guy EXACTLY why I was breaking up with him, is if I wanted to hurt his feelings.

I’m sure that you would indeed like to know why she broke up with you. But if you really think about it, what she thinks of you is none of your business unless she chooses to tell you.

She may not even know the reason. Have you ever tried to explain why you don’t like the taste of something that everyone else likes? It’s a personal thing. My grandson thinks that chocolate tastes nasty. That really doesn’t say anything about the quality of the chocolate itself. And he couldn’t explain in a million years why it tastes nasty to him.

So, are you saying that you are attracted to all women equally? Chemistry is just attraction that lingers. You feel it for some and not for others. It’s not just a female thing.

I’m sure that you would indeed like to know why she broke up with you. But if you really think about it, what she thinks of you is none of your business unless she chooses to tell you.

She may not even know the reason. Have you ever tried to explain why you don’t like the taste of something that everyone else likes? It’s a personal thing. My grandson thinks that chocolate tastes nasty. That really doesn’t say anything about the quality of the chocolate itself. And he couldn’t explain in a million years why it tastes nasty to him.

So, are you saying that you are attracted to all women equally? Chemistry is just attraction that lingers. You feel it for some and not for others. It’s not just a female thing.

CanvasShoes nailed it.

“nobody wants to hear that you’re a sophmoric, whiney little twit that can never find street addresses, is directionally challenged, common sense challanged, tries and completely fucking fails at being cute, and has a consistent holier than thou religious attitude”

Obviously, you’re in love.

  • PW

I once told a woman I was pseudo-dating just why I was breaking up with her: I figured that by being honest with her, I was respecting her emotions and her right to make her own decisions.

I tried as tactfully as I could to tell her that I thought she was a shallow, stupid, pathetic person, but she still got really insulted and angry.

Sometimes you just can’t win for losing.

Daniel

Too bad. That sounds like a perfect match for you.:rolleyes: