It’s also rather pretentious.
I’m not sure which was more disturbing , the crime or **Euthanasiast ** 's sickening fantasy of gore.
I guess this was the logical outcome of the Recreational Outrage infection, “only by becoming as evil as the outrage-inducing criminal can I properly describe my rage and righteousness”
Really?
So if I write a vitriolic screed denouncing, say, the Bush administration for invading Iraq, I’m invading Iraq myself. That makes sense.
Thread crapping is far more obnoxious than RO. If you don’t like a certain kind of thread, don’t click on it.
No, I know just what he means. It’s like—which was worse, the Holocaust, or “Hogan’s Heroes?” No way to tell!
No, what’s disturbing is that if you go back and replace all references to the child (Christopher Michael Barrios Jr.) in my OP with a kitten, the majority of my detractors in this thread would be lining up to blow me, rather than decry this sickening fantasy of gore.
No.
See, what Euthanasiast posted boils down to: “I hate people who enjoy torturing others so much, I will describe in detail how I would like to torture them!”
Do you believe the innocent and the guilty deserve the same treatment?
IMHO the OP repeatedly posted the gory details of the unfortunates childs torture to emphasise what the sick fuckers did to him.
I think that it is wrong of you to castigate Euthanasiast the way you have.
Further: he stated what punishment/s would best suit those 3 fuckos
I believe that fantasizing about torture is fantasizing about torture.
Right, and just we’re all clear, fantasizing about torture is not in any way morally or ethically equivalent to performing torture, right?
It’s a spectrum. It’s not at all the same quantitatively, but it shares a similar quality, just like shoplifting a candy bar and embezzling seniors’ pensions share a similar quality without being morally equivalent.
Correct. Euthanasiast can say he is morally superior to child rapers and murderers, as far as I know. Of course, most folks don’t feel the need to assert that.
No, it’s not like that at all. It’s more like thinking about shoplifting a candy bar versus embezzling seniors’ pensions.
Look, I was put off by the OP to some extent, too, although I can understand the need to vent strong emotions even if they are unpleasant to some people. But some of the responses in this thread, which are arguing with a perfectly straight face that imagining hurting someone and actually hurting someone are qualitatively equivalent, as above, or that - as one person actually claimed - it’s impossible to tell which is which…
Well, those responses are creeping me right the fuck out. It’s not the same. I can’t believe there’s a discussion about this. It’s not the same. It’s not even similar.
In the one, a guy (I assume he’s a guy) briefly entertained socially unacceptable and admittedly violent thoughts of revenge against people who did something he finds morally repugnant. He described those thoughts on a public message board, via the action of typing on a keyboard. Then - although he didn’t make this last part explicit, I’m assuming it anyway - he decided not to do any of the things he briefly pondered. Which is what one is supposed to do, when one has momentary antisocial imaginings. No one alive was harmed or reduced by one moment of this, including the OP himself.
In the other, a child was raped and murdered.
Arguing the equivalence of these things - even with disclaimers regarding scale - is fucked up. They are not the same.
I don’t think he even pondered it. People, this is the fucking BBQ pit. It’s a forum devoted to complaining about things in hyperbolic terms.
I for one am glad that Euthanasiast posts on these forums. As far as I know all he posts is the most hate filled vitriolic things I can’t wrap my head around, but he does it well and in the appropriate place. If you’re bothered by that don’t read his post or perhaps skip the pit entirely.
No, it’s like shouting “I really wish I could steal that candy bar” in public. Maybe you’re right and this isn’t even to the level of actually stealing it, but again, same spectrum.
Can you quote “these responses” that say it’s the same? I’m having trouble finding them.
For me, it’s not the vitriol, anyway, it’s repeating that one detail over and over and over again like he’s completely fucking fixated on it in a way that doesn’t seem like healthy venting at all. It’s like somebody rewinding the money shot again and again. It’s creepy and gross. I barely read the violent bits, because anybody can just string together a bunch of nasty words.
Did you READ the OP? That was some of the most vile, disgusting, and disturbing imagery I have ever read.
“I dream in blood and guts graffiti on South Georgia pines. I long for swamp justice. I want to feel what amounts to a gallon of your blood collective drying and tightening on my skin”
That, my friend, is fucking FOUL.
I understand that there are sick, perverted, people in the world like the criminals in the OP, but my immediate reaction is not to drape the local flora with the contents of their abdomens. Please forgive me if I find that urge to be a bit extreme, and perhaps sick and perverted as well.
And Vinyl Turnip? Blow me.
Ain’t really my cup 'o meat, Auggie Doggie—but how about a lead role in my next snuff film? Best I can offer on short notice.
Yes, I read it. It was pretty disturbing. About three weeks ago, I read the novel Haunted, by Chuck Palahniuk (the guy who wrote Fight Club), and the imagery contained in there makes this OP look about as mild as the typical MPSIMS post in this forum. I couldn’t make it through the first real chapter without very nearly vomiting (the chapter entitled “Guts,” and if you decide to read it, don’t eat beforehand, seriously). That was fucked up and disturbing imagery. Do you have a hard time deciding whether Chuck Palahniuk or the trio of rapists in the OP’s tale are worse?
Ah, but you say, Haunted is fiction. My question is: so what? It’s still demented speculation based on the writer’s no doubt strong emotion, and desire to provoke an emotional reaction in his reader. Unless and until Euthanasiast decides to go bathe in the blood of a rapist, his writings in this thread are fictional, too.
Look, if you can honestly say that you’ve never had a moment of rage in response to something that affects you strongly, then good for you and god bless. But I’d venture to say most people have had such a reaction. Most people don’t express that moment of rage at all; others might express it by posting that they’re not normally in favor of the death penalty, but in this case… hell, someone who posts even that much is, in essence, saying something like the OP:
Granted, most people don’t go into that kind of detail with their moments of anger. But who cares? My point is that putting **Euthanasiast ** on the same level as the people who carried out the act described in his link implies that thoughts carry the same moral weight as actions. I reject this premise, that one’s thoughts carry moral weight at all.
Here, one more analogy: I am married, and I love my wife more than anything, including lobster, and I love lobster. All the same, I will make a confession here: I have, once in a blue moon, thought about the possibility of adultery. I have even imagined scenarios - in a good bit of detail - in which I could engage in adultery. I have never, and would never, commit adultery.
I know of at least two husbands who have cheated on their wives. Are my fleeting imaginings of adultery the same as their acts, as you suggest Euthanasiast’s fleeting imaginings of torture/murder are the same as (or similar to) the actions of actual torturers/murderers?
They ceased being merely his thoughts when he took the ACTION of taking the time to post them on a message board in order to show the world his outrage and, furthermore, that he is capable of being so much more outraged than the rest of us.
To use your adultery analogy;
What if you took an hour or so and composed a short story in which you seduced the female cashier at your local supermarket? And you went into TREMENDOUS detail about exactly how you planned to seduce her and explicit descriptions of every sexual encounter?
And then posted it on a message board.
How would your wife react to that? Is it possibly at a different spot on the continuum (that Ensign Edison mentioned above) than your mere flights of fancy?