To top it off, he only threw one really ugly pass to the feet of one of his receivers (I believe it was in the first) and one ill-advised pass that was intercepted out of bounds. Otherwise, his passes were on target. In fact, he had at least two outright drops, and probably another two balls that should have been caught by the receivers. If not for some questionable playcalling when the Broncos had the ball inside of San Diego’s ten yard line at the end of regulation, the game probably doesn’t even go into OT.
So, yes, Tebow gets his due. The team didn’t win when Orton was the QB, but they are now.
That’s because San Diego only rushed three guys on obvious passing downs. Credit the defense, which has gotten much, much better as the season has gone on. They’vs given up an average of 12 points per game in the last three.
“I’ll give you the benefit if the doubt and assume that you’re lax in your reading rather than deliberately misleading, because I’ve repeatedly said, in this very thread and others, that I like Tebow as a person, I think he’s a good kid, and I want him to find success. This need for people to portray anyone who doubts Tebow’s skills and abilities to succeed in the NFL as “Tebow haters” is just plain ignorant.”
I’m no longer giving you the benefit of the doubt. Your ignorance and deliberate misrepresentations are too big a mountain for me to climb.
I haven’t actually looked at this thread since I last posted in it (whenever that was), so that would explain that. Though I suppose I could take a gander at what you said then, only because I’ve nothing else to do right now.
So the defense just started to happen to play better when Tim Tebow came in out of pure coincidence? I happen to think not.
The defense playing better is can be, in part, attributed to the offense. Number one, time of possession is up, which means the defense isn’t on the field as long. The longer the defense is allowed to rest, the better they play when they take the field. When you 70 - 80% of your plays in a game are running plays, that’s what happens. Number two-- and this related to number one-- since Tebow has come into the game, turnovers are down. Fewer turnovers means that drives continue longer, which means that the defense is better rested when the teams come onto the field. Notice that the defense’s worse game was against Detroit when Fox had Tebow line up in the pro-set and throw it 39 times and the offense turned it over three times. That wasn’t coincidence.
…Not to mention players on the defense have flatly stated that they believe in Tim Tebow and play harder for him.
Since this was posted last week, I reiterate the point I made, which you flatly ignored.
It held true then and it still holds true now. If, for example, you were to compare Tebow’s first nine starts to Elway’s first nine starts, it’d be no comparison.
I have good reason to hate on Tebow. I am a Charger fan and I normally can’t stand athletes who wear their religion on their sleeve. I just can’t hate the kid though and it amuses the shit out of me that he keeps winning which is giving the football geniuses fits.
Are you in possession of actual stats or are you just making this up? I can’t see how time of possession is up when the offense is having all those consecutive three and outs. Not to mention you’re confusing time coming off the clock with the time taken to run a play. The difference in actual time taken up by a running play versus a passing play is negligible.
You can also check prior weeks by changing the date. You’ll notice that the further back in the season you go-- more specifically if you go back to when Kyle Orton was Denver’s starter and when Tim Tebow became the starter yet the team was trying run a pro-set offense-- the lower Denver’s average TOP. For the past five or so week’s, Denver’s average TOP has been higher than the average time of possession for the season and has been close to being in the top ten in the league for TOP.
I haven’t read the entirety of this thread but this stuff is so idiotic. Tebow is a terrible quarterback. The Broncos are winning in spite of him. That’s fantastic for the Broncos, but lets not pretend that the Broncos should for some reason credit Tebow for this and somehow anoint him the QB of the future. The Packers are winning in spite of some of the worst secondary play you’re likely to see, but no one is coming out saying that Charlie Peprah is somehow the key to victory.
It’s not difficult in the least. I like Tebow. I’m thrilled the Broncos are winning, especially against the Jets and against Phillip Rivers. I’m enjoying the Broncos success. Once again, this need to portray anyone who thinks Tebow isn’t the sole reason the Broncos are winning as being upset by his success is sheer idiocy.
The “conventional wisdom” is that if you have a top 3 defense in scoring, you should be winning. It’s not some big shock that teams that don’t allow their opponents to score more than 13 points are likely to win in the NFL.
The TOP difference is due more than completely to two overtime games. In those two games, the Broncos had over 17 minutes of additional possession. In other words, the TOP would be less under Tebow than before he took over if not for extra time.
Again, more running plays doesn’t mean the defense gets more rest, it just means more time runs off the clock.
(They actually had 18 minutes and five seconds of overtime possession in two OT games. You’d have to subtract three minutes of TOP from each of the six games he started to adjust for the OT.)
Would you have guessed Denver would go 4-1 with Tebow starting? Especially since they went 1-4 without him starting. How much does Denver have to win before you admit he might not be as terrible as you thought?
No, this thread was about how it could be bad for the Broncos in the longer run if Tebow won a bunch of games in spite of bad play at the QB position. The Broncos need to acquire a real NFL QB. But if Tebow keeps winning, there’ll be pressure to retain him. That would be bad. Horrible, even. He’s running a gimmick offense and at best it’ll work about as long as the wildcat worked in Miami. If Tebow’s short term success results in the Broncos being unable to acquire a QB who can run an actual NFL offense, they’re going to hurt in the longer term.
Tebow doesn’t suck. He’s a very good football player. He’s just not capable running a pro offense. Neither is Antwaan Randle El, to name another college qb who doesn’t suck but isn’t going to be running an offense in the NFL.