Gah. This woman is like the swollen turd that just won’t go down the drain. And her hangers-on are starting to look as fucking pathetic as she does.
“Jane, what is her strategy to win now?”
“Well, John, she can claim a victory if she counts the popular votes from Florida and Michigan and doesn’t count any of the caucus votes or any of the votes in the remaining states that haven’t voted yet. Obama will argue that his name wasn’t even on the Michigan ballot, but she can argue back that that was his fault.”
“Wow, Jane, so she really should fight on.”
“Absolutely, John. She can still pull even with him in pledged delegates if she wins seventy percent of the remaining ones.”
:rolleyes:
Just fucking stop it! She’s dead. She’s done. She’s a plate of gravy stains. She’s been sopped up. She’s finished. She can’t fucking win.
She’s like the yard gnome that always stares at you and moves around when you’re not looking. She’s the rubbery ball of dried Cheese Whiz in a hair ball. She’s a toothache inside a migrain.
I don’t want to know how you came up with this imagery. What do you do with your Cheese Whiz anyway? My Cheese Whiz stays nicely in its jar, thank you very much.
You know, I don’t have a dog in this fight, being a libertarian, but I have a couple of thoughts:
Obama, if he is going to be an effective and victorious candidate, needs to toughen up and get some experience being abused by a ruthless campaign, if he’s going to stand up to several months of Republican low-life attacks. Hillary is providing this service.
Short of Hillary quitting, there is no guarantee that Obama will win the nomination at this stage. It may be the most likely outcome, but stranger things have happened. I think her lack of money, rather than being behind in votes, is the most likely thing to bring her down. But I think it would be irresponsible of her to quit now, just when things get interesting.
The third point may be observation bias, or media sound-clip-selection bias, but does he ever say anything of substance in a stump speech? Every one I’ve heard has gone over the same endless ground of “not the same old politics, change we can count on, blah blah”. I’d sure like to hear something more from him. (Of course Hillary is no better with her endless “I have experience” speeches.)
So. You hate Hillary; many people don’t. You love Obama; many people don’t. I wish folks would let the process run its course, unclench their teeth and just wait for the outcome like the rest of us. I recommend meditation in a quiet room for some true perspective.
Roddy
eta: I do like listening to Obama, it is so refreshing to listen to a politician who can string a few complete sentences together without sounding like he failed middle school speech class.
It’s just that her strategy is so fucking stupid. If things were neck and neck, it would be different. But she needs a miracle to win. And in the process of grasping for that miracle, she’s willing to destroy, as much as possible, the likely Democratic Party candidate to do it.
And I’m pitting the pundits because they are enabling her by drumming up these miracle scenarios that only egg her on. She’s too fucking stupid to realize that all the media want is the drama. Or hell, who knows, maybe she realizes exactly what she’s doing and doesn’t give a fuck if she destroys the whole party.
Her arguments are idiotic. For example, the notion that the white women who support her won’t support Obama presumes as its premise that she won’t campaign on his behalf if he wins and that she has no influence on those women anyway. What she seems to be saying is, “If you win this, I’ll take my people and go home.”
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Total agreement. She’s the Black Knight. I thought Jon Stewart’s question to Obama of (paraphrasing) “If you receive the nomination and win the election in November and are inaugurated but Hillary’s still running…” was dead on.
This is what pisses me off the most. It’s far from the worst mudslinging ever in a race and I even agree when people say it’s nothing compared to what the Pubs will sling at you, but she just makes herself look like a petty bitch and it’s amazing how many people don’t seem to see it. I said in a G.D. thread I just opened that I really don’t think she’s a fraction as concerned about a Democrat winning as she is about herself winning; I honestly think if she loses the nomination that as much as she talks about supporting Obama she probably couldn’t give a damn.
Look, it’s easy to explain. The pundits work for the media. Campaign money is spent on media. If the Democratic campaign is over, they’ll stop spending the campaign money in the primaries. Why is it so hard to understand why the media consistently backs whoever is behind? When Hillary was the anointed candidate, they sucked Obama’s dick, now, it’s the reverse. They benefit from a close race.
Thanks for that heads-up, Sampiro. I’ll check out your thread now that I’ve calmed down a bit. I’d really like to see what rationale is offered on her behalf.
I like Hillary. If she got the nomination I’d be very happy to vote for her in the main election. And I’d be happy for her to continue running all the way up to the convention … provided she didn’t conduct her campaign in a way that was damaging to the probable nominee.
But she hasn’t done that. She’s said nice things about McCain in order to attack Obama. She’s played footsie with Richard Mellon Scaife. She’s called into question the legitimacy of the nominating process.
Right now her candidacy is hurting the Democratic Party. Not because she’s still in the race, but because of specific things she and her supporters are saying and doing. If she can’t put the good of the party ahead of her own ambition, she doesn’t deserve the nomination.
“You’re a mean one, Senator Clinton. You really are a heel…”
I’ve said plenty of times that Clinton is under no obligation to quit, and I believe that. But the longer this goes, the more I agree that the press is keeping it alive more than anybody else. A couple of hours ago, CNN.com’s big headline was something like “Indiana is next big state.”
Indiana is smaller and has fewer delegates than North Carolina, and both vote on the same day. Why isn’t it the next big state? Because everybody agrees Obama should win there, probably by a lot. No drama there, so no ratings. So they make Indiana a big deal because Clinton can win there. It’s bullshit.
I guess you really believe this, which is what makes this seem like a good case of “true believer”-ism. Like I said, you strongly dislike her, but give me a fucking break on the imputing motives thing.
Not to mention that conflict is what keeps people watching the news channels so they can sell ads to other advertisers too. I’m sure they’re getting lots more from that than they are from the campaigns, since most of that money is going to local media. It’s the good old 24-hour news cycle giving itself something to chew on.
Roddy
I think you and Bill Door are right, and I’m kind of pissed at the fourth estate for letting itself get to this point. I believe in the right of free press, but when the press is interested only in the opinions of its sponsors and not its audience, the concept gets perverted. What can you do, though?
She reminds me of a coach near the end of a basketball game who is trailing by far too many points to catch up, but who decides to drag out the last two or three minutes anyway with incessant fouls and timeouts instead of just letting the clock run and allowing everyone to go home. The media is like the announcers who try to snow the audience into staying tuned by pretending that the outcome is still undecided.
It’s even easier to explain. The pundits are only really watched when there is some race or other big political issue for them to pontificate about. Otherwise, everyone but hard-core political junkies goes about their life quietly ignoring them. But when they can convince everyone that there is a big Clinton/Obama (or whatever) dust-up, they’re big shit. Once the Democratic race is settled, nobody will particularly care what they say until the general election race heats up after the Olympics. The longer they can drag this out, the more they’ll be in the spotlight.
This pisses me off. In several polls, between 25-50% of people who support Clinton said they would vote for McCain rather than Obama. Are you fucking kidding me?!?
For the first time in ages, the Democrats were perfectly positioned to take the congress and the White House. Now, John McCain is looking like the next president. How the fuck could you let that happen?
Yes, in the height of the battle when Clinton is Good and Obama is Evil (or vice versa) you say I’d never vote for that darn so-and-so who I’m fighting against. As soon as the fight is over, you realize that is a stupid position and go back to rational.
The same thing has happened with McCain, with all of the disparate groups of Republicans who were so opposed to him in the primary closing ranks around him over the past few months.
Obama supporters have to stop acting like their candidate is the Democratic nominee and Hillary Clinton is some usurper. There are still two candidates in the running. If Clinton’s campaign was really as fork-stuck as some people keep claiming then there’d be no need to keep reclaiming it. Clinton might still win the nomination, fair and square. So sure Hillary Clinton is hurting Barack Obama’s campaign - and guess what, Barack Obama is hurting Hillary Clinton’s campaign even more. Whining about how the other side won’t quit and let you win just makes you look weak.
Are you guys planning on complaining this much if Obama wins the Democratic nomination and John McCain doesn’t immediately concede the general election?
