Oh, honey…I may think that Maureen is being a bit presumptuous here, but I don’t think that this merits being equated with suspenderzzzzzzzz.
suspenderzzzzzzzz…::shudder::
Oh, honey…I may think that Maureen is being a bit presumptuous here, but I don’t think that this merits being equated with suspenderzzzzzzzz.
suspenderzzzzzzzz…::shudder::
Lezlerz; I appreciate the support, but at this point, I doubt anything you or I say will be taken much into consideration. There was a little troll who has been attempting to push my buttons for some time now. On advice from seasoned dopesters, I ignored it. So, since she didn’t get a reaction, she ran over to the other thread and (paraphrasing) said “there’s a b**** on this thread who’s calling you all a bunch of losers because you love your families!” Which is not even remotely what I was saying, but hey, it got the desired effect. When you involve people on an emotional level and tell them someone is belittling that which you hold dear, then people tend to react negatively. I doubt most have them have even read most of what I had to say. Just what they could construe in a negative manner.
Bad News Babboon , at no point did I EVER refer to the other thread as the “Stepford Family” thread.
Zette ; Cheers!!
Edit to above post: She did not, in fact, post the above message on the other thread. I stand corrected.
I just want to say that the argument of – “If you were a real nonconformist, you wouldn’t have to post that you are …” is retarded. Someone who considers themself outside the pale, and mentions in it in discussing a view of theirs doesn’t mean they are a sell out to their nonconformity or anything. If you don’t like the views expressed, strap on a pair and say so. Don’t just piss on the disclaimer.
Hey, if I was a real nonconformist, I guess I wouldn’t have bothered registering here in the first place.
I pretty much agree with everything Maureen has said in this thread. And I came from a borderline Stepford Family … at least a Stepford Immediate Family. That’s why I’m proud to be the divorced, noncustodial father of two kids from a different relationship entirely, state/job hopping, longhaired freak of the Batty clan.
I may bitch, but it’s a hell of a lot more fun than toeing the line.
Damn straight.
You sure aren’t! Except Maureen at least qualifies some of her statements. Suspenderzzzzz was just a jerk, and proud of it.
Okay, I just went back and read the orginal thread and I don’t understand why this one is a counterpart. IMHO, none of the posts in the other thread were what the OP described. So OP, how is this a counterpart again?
Now I understand why people have their undies in a bunch over this one. Perhaps “counterpart thread” shouldn’t have been mentioned…
If someone starts the thread: “Ketchup is great” and it makes me think, “Yeah I like ketchup too, but I really hate tomatoes. Isn’t that wierd?” I might be inclined to start a thread: “I Fucking Hate Tomatoes,” as a counter-point thread.
I really didn’t see this thread as a counterpoint so much as a tangent. Get over the semantics.
So, just wondering then…
Say you wrote a thread called “ketchup is great!”
All the people posting in there are discussing how, while ketchup may not be perfect, they are happy with it as a condiment choice.
Then I come along and post “people who like bland foods make me ill”
ok, so far all is swell. We are each entitled to have our opinions. After all, in my title and OP, I never directly slam ketchup lovers.
Then I go on to say:
Yeah, it rather is a counterpoint to the “ketchup lovers” thread.
I didn’t really want to spam it, though, everyone was so smugly perfect there.
No, it’s not MEANT as a pit thread in disguise (above comment notwithstanding), although I can see I probably should have put it there. I’m not trying to slam anybody. As I said, if that’s the kind of condiment that rocks your world, more power to you. I just prefer people who admit they are different and are proud of those differences.
maybe Jack we are not reading this the same way, but IMO, she not only slams the people in the other thread (“smugly perfect people”) for NO reason, but then she goes on to imply that they perhaps are living a lie…as they can’t seem to admit to being different.
Had she stopped prior to that point, I would have no issue with the thread.
Is it possible that one can have a) a perfect childhood or b) a screwed-up childhood - and emerge intact?
Yes.
And, for the record, if you never saw your mother and father argue – well, you were asleep. Not trying to slam the “perfect childhood” folks, but it’s impossible to have a long-term relationship without an argument. Think about it, you’re arguing with perfect strangers right now.
I think people are making a distinction, Blonde, between arguing/disagreeing and fighting. Of course all married couples disagree. They probably argue. What they do not all do is fight, especially right in front of the children. I have never heard my parents yell at each other, call each other bad names, or otherwise act out-of-control angry. (I doubt that they do much of that in private either; there are better ways to resolve disagreements.)
In the other thread, I assumed that when people said their parents didn’t fight, they meant that their parents did not scream and yell and curse and throw things, etc. when they disagreed with one another. The arguments stayed relatively civilized.
–genie, whose family is functional and yet, miraculously, non-Land Rover-owning or matching-sweater-wearing.
Was this directed towards my comments Jack? If so, then all I have to say is: the hell? I was trying to figure out where people’s hostilities towards Maureen came from. The only thing I could think of was that she called this thread a counterpart to the other one, which I don’t really see it at all as. I figured that’s what’s pissing people off. I’m not nitpicking, I’m trying to help.
Sheesh. Get a grip.
(If your comments were not directed towards me, then feel free to ignore this post)
People are annoyed with Maureen because she’s coming off like a snobby bitch, sneering down her nose at people who’s lives aren’t like hers.
And genie, I agree. All couples fight. It’s unavoidable. I’m assuming the people who said their parents never did just never saw it, which is a good thing.
I always say that the couples I’d be worried the most about are the ones that fight in public because if you can’t control yourselves in public, I can only imagine what you’re like in private.
My parents fought all the time at home, but no one else saw it but me. It was drilled in my head that family business stays at home. I guess that’s where I get it. The only reason I even saw it was because we always lived in tiny ass places that offered little privacy. At one point the three of us lived in a studio. Kinda hard to hide the fighting in there.
No Land Rover here either (dammit). My hubby and I have been together ten years and our kiddos have seen us fight, disagree, yell, etc…we spar in our household. Winner takes all.
Anyone been married to someone of Greek heritage? I pretty much had to wear earplugs to have dinner with my first husband’s family…it’s the norm, from what I hear.
I draw the line at cursing/throwing things, but a perfectly quiet, “let’s all agree on everything” environment is not gonna happen here, I’m out-numbered 3 to 1 on the male vs. female ratio!
That’s not the way I read it.
It seemed like more of a reaction of having people look down upon her.
And believe me, I know of which I speak. Everybody in my family is married with a house, a dog, a white picket fence and 2.3 kids. I get a little sick of hearing, “why can’t you be just like us?” too.
That was the gist of the OP that I got.
The OP isn’t within fifteen miles of that “gist.” Actually, the OP and many of its followup posts appear to have been written by somebody on drugs.
Really, who or where are these “stepford families” of which the OP speaks? I have never met such a couple. No such thing exists. Non-Dysfunctional doesn’t equal “without disagreements or conflict.” Christ, what a stupid false dilemma that is.
I’ve seen plenty of people and families who pretend to be perfect and go to great pains to make sure the world thinks they are absolutely “functional” … whether they are or not isn’t really the issue.
Of course no one is perfect but if some if these uber-yuppies I’ve run accross would admit that, I wouldn’t have such contempt for them.
The OP is spot on that gist, because that’s what I got from it. You don’t see it that way … doesn’t make it wrong. It means you disagree with it.
So hop off the high fucking horse.
So it’s your position that some people prefer to keep familial problems to themselves? That seems to me like what people should do. But that’s just me; I like keeping family problems in the family. Bitching about your spouse or your kids to your acquaintances and co-workers for the sake of venting is the height of vulgarity. (Consulting with a professional counsellor or therapist, of course, is not the same thing.) I also don’t bitch about my employer in front of customers or bitch out my teammates to other people in my softball league. Some things you don’t spew about.
Now, you may disagree with that, but it’s neither here nor there because that isn’t what the OP said. The OP was a stupid rant about how dysfunction’s better and how the OP was great for being a nonconformist, blah blah blah; it was drug-addled at best.
I’m on no high horse here; the OP was full of shit. It’s a matter of fact. As a wise man once said, we’re all entitled to our opinions, and yours just happens to be the wrong one.
Listen. I’m a live and let live kind of guy. And I really don’t care which families are fighting with who within their little clans. That’s not what I’m saying, and not what I feel this thread was about in spirit.
Of course I don’t think people should just open their heads and start denegrating their spouses and children in public. But when Biff and Muffy show up and tell me how perfect they are … I get a little roll-eyely.
It’s people who present the front that everything is perfect and then lord it over you when you don’t gush all over them and long to be like them that irritate me.
I’m trying to interpret things here to make sense around my (admittedly similar) views along the lines of the OP.
You’re just coming out with … OP’s wrong. I have spoken. Fuck her.
Fine. Whatever. I think that’s king of snotty in itself, though.