No, the thread I pointed you to is right here on the SDMB.
You can go back to worrying about the round bathtub?!?! Unless you have a substantial science remark to say? Which is doubtful.
That’s not how it works, child. You ranted on for two pages of thread without providing any references at all. Asking for citations is not an insult, it is a legitmate part of the discussion process. If you want to offer an apology for waiting days to finally attempt to support your odd claims, however, we may deign to accept it.
Don’t scream, child, it is unbecoming and makes us think that you are getting desperate. There are many intermediates. Unfortunately, any intermediate that is provided is simply dismissed by Creationists as “different.” Throughout hundreds of millions of years of geological record, we have found perhaps a few hundred specimens of any given species. It is quite possible that we may never find all the intermediates. (That will make you happy, but does nothing to actually prove a point in any direction.) We do however, have example of speciation that we have observed in our lifetimes. Several of them are documented here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Nearly all the current specimens are identified at this site:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/specimen.html#erectus
There are 15 examples available from widely scattered parts of Africa and Asia.
You will note that paleontologists have already decided that the femur that Dubois associated with his skull is not from the same species, and is modern. The skull was found in a river gorge where stratification is not easily measured–and it was not the primary method that either DuBois or his legitimate critics have used to date the find–so the discovery of modern skulls “in the area” hardly presents a problem to the objective observer.
is hardly significantly different than my statement
aside from your spurious attempt to brand the find as “false,” so I am not sure why you think my sleeping will be affected by your odd claims.
A population rate to get us from 2 individuals to 6 billion individuals in 4,000 years (shouldn’t that be 6,000 BTW?) utterly ignores the rates of death from disease and misadventure and the suppression of birth rates due to lower food gathering techniques prior to agriculture. It pretty well assumes that the population growth of the 19th century was the prevailing rate throughout human history. Given the prevalence of plague, influenza, measles, and various other withering phenomena, along with the overwhelming indications that early man was primarily a hunter-gatherer, not a farmer, it is utterly unrealistic to claim that that growth rate could have been sustained throughout the 6,000 years claimed for it.
On the other hand, given the constraints mentioned, a growth from a small group to 6 billion over 1.5 million (not the mendacious 14 million) years is quite probable.
I am puzzled by one thing, however. You continually link Evolution to damnation. I am not sure why God is going to condemn anyone who pursues scientific evidence. Regardless of whether the group of believing Christians who recognize the scientific validity of the Evolutionary Theory of Natural Selection is greater or less than 50% of the Christian population, there are, in fact, many Christians who have accepted Jesus as Lord who do recognize valid science and pursue it. This strange interjection of belief into an allegedly scientific discussion does not seem to have a point (beyond making you feel smug).
The idiot polycarp(sp?) appears to try and appease evolutionists by combing it with creation. You can’t. He’s never taken the time to find creationist organizations that can supply him with the insurmountable evidence for a young universe. He’s fallen into the trap that thinking that “most” people believe in millions of years, then it must be true, but he then tries to throw God into the equation. If everyhings been evolving over millions of years, then exactly what part does God have? He just happened to wander by our planet and decided to make a nice place for those evolved humans on earth when they die? What does God care about us if he didn’t create us? Then again, maybe polycarp has some warped version of God creating man millions of years ago, but heres a new problem. Adams lineage can be traced back to 4000BC and the Bible clearly states there was no death before Adam. So apparently theres creatures on this planet for millions of years without ever dying?!? CHrist quoted Genesis, Christ believed in 6 literal days of creation. To throw in millions of years is calling God a liar. Polycarp needs to make a stand to either take the whole Bible as truth or throw it out. To me he’s a spineless weasel whos afraid to stand up for truth against the evolutionists by trying to buddy with them by taking their wacked out dating system.
(By the way, trying to attack Dubois for not being a paleontologist while citing the noted flake and Noah’s Ark searcher George Vandeman to support a geological claim of erosion simply makes you look desperate to throw citations out. I would not attack Vandeman on the grounds of his flakiness, there are better ways to show that his erosion figures are bogus and I’ll drag out tonight, but using ad hominem arguments against one person opens your “defense” up to multiple ad hominem arguments against your purported sources.)
I was just logging out when you popped in. Let me see if you having something simple to say or if I need to answer you later.
If you cannot actually discuss something, do not resort to name calling, child. That sort of activity is reserved for the BBQ Pit (where I’m sure you will soon be a featured subject, if you are not already.
If i remember later I’ll give you about a dozen books that will give same numbers about erosion. You can find that info in any evolutionary book anyway. The evolutionists just take the numbers and weave a nifty little fairy tale around it just like the oort cloud.
Funny “name calling” was all you could say about that posting. I should have used ignoramous instead of idiot is probably what your saying. Moron might be closer. Why do you care? Is this actually Tom? Sounds more like deb.
Ciao
IGOTNOANSWERS, I’m done with you. You do not wish to know anything. You wish only to speak. That which you know, you ignore, because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent.
“Polycarp is an idiot” ???
I am going to leave you with some words from your Bible. Perhaps you will listen to them since you have shown no interest in listening to anyone here.
In Matthew 15 Jesus said "What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him unclean.'
Then Jesus says this in Matthew 22, when replying to the religious hypocrites: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
The Psalmist said this: (19:14) - "May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer."
Do you think your words have been pleasing to your LORD, you whitewashed tomb? Do you?
Libertarian wrote:
You’re right, the translators who wrote the Septuagint were far too sloppy to be able to carry out any insidious motives. 
Okay, okay, that’s really not fair to the Septuagint translators. They didn’t have the tools of modern scholarship available to them, and they were doing something no one had done before, with original documents that lacked written vowels. But this is supposed to be the divine, inerrant Word of God we’re talking about here. Look at how careful the Orthodox Jews are when they make copies of the Torah: each character, each ink stroke, each smudge on the page is meticulously copied, so as to be sure that nothing in the original is altered in any way. If they were going to translate this carefully-hand-copied masterwork into the vernacular of the time, they should have at least made sure that nothing was left out.
I specified the name-calling for two reasons:
It is inappropriate in this Forum and I had hoped that you would (despite all the evidence that you cannot) learn from my comment;
It was the only original statement in the post, the rest being the same hate-filled Literalist rhetoric that you have copied from people like LaHaye without actually considering what it means. I do not consider a second-hand attack that plagiarizes un-Christian haters masking as Christians to be worthy of response.
Since debating the conclusions seems to be going so well… (Dripping with sarcasm) I thought maybe we could go back a step and discuss some of the underlying assumptions first.
In fact, lets start with just one and see where that gets us.
Lets start with size of the observable universe. Actually, I will go one easier and just discuss some distances to relatively nearby neighbors in space.
IGOTTHEANSWERS, do you argue the fact that the nearby galaxy Andromeda is approx. 2.2 million light years away?
If you do, I guess we need to stop right there and find out why. Otherwise, let’s continue shall we?
If Andromeda is in fact 2.2 million light years away, and we can see it, that would imply that it has existed for AT LEAST 2.2 million years. Anyway that would be the simple answer. Clearly, the simplest way to have something visible that is at a distance that would take light 2.2 million years to cross is have it exist for at least that amount of time so that light would have a chance to cross the distance.
The other alternative is that somehow, it was put in space that far away very recently AND at the same time put all the rays of light in place all the path to here so it would LOOK like they had been in route for 2.2 million years.
And if we examine the case of the 1989 super nova, it makes for even more interesting discussion. This would be around 180,000 light years away as it is in/near the Clouds of Magellan. Are we to assume that this super nova didn’t really explode at all but was created in the destroyed state and that the light one would see of it exploding (180,000 years ago) was just put into space travelling towards us (6000 years ago) to make it APPEAR to have exploded? That is an interesting notion indeed.
Which way do you fall on this one?
scotth:
Don’t forget the “alternate” Creationist hypothesis, that the speed of light used to be much faster. (Not that there’s any evidence for this hypothesis, mind you, but it’s one excuse Creationists pop up with from time to time.)
Of course, we all really know that the Andromeda galaxy is actually painted on the inside of a sphere of perfectly hard, crystalline Aether that surrounds the Solar system just outside the orbit of Pluto. :rolleyes:
Proof of the speed of light. I kept this for just such an argument:
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/young-earth/additional_topics/supernova.html
Not that IGOTTHEANSWERS is going to accept it, what what the heck?
Is that the Oort cloud? oh, wait, that doesn’t exist…
Naw, the Oort cloud is painted on the inside of the crystalline sphere, too. (Now, the Kuiper Belt, on the other hand…)
hush guys… IKNOWTHEANSWERS might think you are serious… I am not sure I could take it.
/minor hijack to address issues/
[sub]I know I’m wasting my breath here, but…[/sub]
Christian here. Checking in. Believer in evolution.
I don’t recall reading anywhere in the Bible where my salvation was directly tied to the belief that God created the world in 6 days. Don’t you see, IGOTTHEANSWERS, that your ranting and raving is simply driving people away from God because they are equating your illogical meanderings with God Himself? God is a little bigger than the narrow box you’re putting Him in. Who do you think created all the laws that the “evil evolutionists” are using to help figure out how His miraculous world works? God gave me a brain, I prefer to use.
And to insult Polycarp…you have no idea how big a hole you have dug for yourself. I have never, and I mean NEVER, in my 21 years as a Christian met a man who has displayed the compassion, love and sympathy of Christ like he has. Even those on this Board who are atheists respect him. Fie on you.
/end hijack and apologies to GD residents/
BunnyGirl wrote:
But it is! In fact, your salvation depends on you believing that the Earth is square!