If a tree falls in the forest..

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around does it make a sound???


Hold on. My “Zen Enlightenment for Dummies” book isn’t in the office. I know that it has the correct answers to all the koans.

There are always trolls in the forest to hear it. But I’m sure you knew that.

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

If a man speaks out in the forest and his wife is not around to correct him, is he still wrong?

When the tree falls, it produces sound waves, not sound. The waves travel to the inner ear, where the vibrations produce minute electrical signals that are perceived by a brain as sound.

There is no sound without an auditory mechanism present.

Even I knew that.

If you’re an optimist, you haven’t been paying attention.

But Wally - Aren’t sound waves waves of sound?

Yer pal,

What is the sound of one lung collapsing?

Buzzer! InCorrect WallyM7!

A deaf person, say like me?, could not hear the tree fall, but would see it fall, thus, the tree did fall.duh. :slight_smile:

Trick question. If nobody is around to hear it, or witness it in any way, then it doesn’t fall. What happens is that the wave function collapses to the fallen state when the first witness happens by.

You’re now stepping into SCHRÖDINGER’S CAT area of philosophy. I guess the OP did that too.

it exists only as a cloud of probabilities… no, wait, that’s Schroedinger’s cat.


dammit, DW3, you got to it first. drat!

What did you do to the cat? It looks half dead…


Good point! I didn’t think of that until you mentioned it!

Oh, Oh, I’ve got one!

How many trolls does it take to clog up a message board?
I hate, really hate to agree with satan, but you’re right man…troll.

For a member who lists occupation as oracle, and interests as quantum physics, this guy sure asks stupid questions. Probably in the same afterschool program as Brithael, and Banshee.

Are we assuming that there is nothing else in the universe except this tree?

If so, then it doesn’t make a sound. But if there is anything else that hears, then it does.

I suppose I’m just reverberating (haha) what Wally said, but I am adding that other organisms hear.

Also, I fancy that other plants and microorganisms “hear” even though they don’t pick up sound waves.

I don’t know who first said “everyone’s a critic,” but I think it’s a really stupid saying.

OK Pile on like the BK commercial.

You would think he would ask questions like “how do you go about proving virtual particles?” or “how do gravitrons attract?” if his interest really is Quantum Physics.

But Jorge said it better than I can :slight_smile:

While we’re on the Zen kick, the sound of one hand clapping sounds like this…

[slaps Palidors]