…how did he get elected over a seasoned politico who would bring with her a former President as her first hubs? I am not trying to be antagonistic here - I think it’s a valid question. Please don’t waste time with “half the country is racist and/or sexist” arguments - not buying it. These same guys in MI, PA, and WI went for Obama twice, racism arguments are tiring. Was it all Obamacare and jobs? A tiredness with the liberal party worrying about where to pee instead of creating jobs? The email server/Wikileaks? Coneys last minute investigation at election time? Strong dislike of Hillary due to her many reported scandals? Hillarys boring speeches? Tax cuts? Trump projecting as a forceful leader? Pant suits too ugly? Bill’s baggage? A worldwide Brexit fever? I’ll share my opinion after I get some comments. I’ll give you a hint - Obamacare effects on work insurance offerings, tiredness with liberals due to obvious media bias and overdoing their favoritism, and a fear of terrorism!
People mostly were tired of having it so good and wanted to try a massive scale social experiment with a maniac in the Oval Office. That’s really the only reason.
well, part of it was the fact that the Dems nominated a candidate against whom the Republicans have had an ongoing smear campaign dating back 25 years. That takes its toll even if it’s all smoke and zero fire.
dav 345 wrote: " A tiredness with the liberal party worrying about where to pee instead of creating jobs?"
I know it’s a difficult thing for some conservatives to grasp but liberals can multi-task. Concerns about where to pee do not preclude concerns about creating jobs.
People were “sick and tired of being sick and tired.” They were tired of “same old, same old.”
The best analogy I’ve heard to explain the Trump victory is: Suppose you have a choice of two movies to watch at a theater. Movie A is a boring, but decent-quality, movie that you’ve seen many times before already, and you *really *don’t want to have to sit through it again. Movie B is a movie that many people consider awful, really awful, like Sharknado, but at least you’ve never seen before, and so to you it’s fresh and unfamiliar.
When you walk into the theater, which of the two movies would you rather watch?
A bunch of well-poisoning “questions” followed by a “hint” that pretty much tells us where you are coming from on this topic-not antagonistic at all!
Been there, done that in a dozen previous threads on this same subject.
Yes, but, as is the case with many such political accusations - is that the perception? Are liberals perceived more as the “Jobs faction,” or the “Transgender-bathroom faction?”
The same has happened to conservatives before - when conservatives are perceived as caring more about gay marriage than bread-and-butter issues like jobs, they tend to lose.
Democratic voters have to like someone to vote for them, Republican voters would vote for a wet dog turd if it was red and shaped like an R.
Seven years of lying about Obamacare have galvanized many into being anti-Democratic whereas the ACA supporters are only just now making their presence felt.
Comey’s unprofessional insertion of himself into the race played a role.
Fake news such as Facebook memes have a certain subset of the electorate incapable of differentiating between their ass and a hole in the ground.
It seems like those most worried about where people pee are Republicans.
Only the most selfish and/or stupid among us votes because he thinks his taxes are too high, and if they did why would they vote for a guy who is the poster boy for wealthy tax avoidance?
You can’t seriously talk about liberal news bias when there is an entire network (two if you count One America News) devoted to being to the Republicans what Pravda was to Communists.
You may not want to hear about racism and xenophobia, but that is a HUGE part of the equation that cannot be ignored.
An intelligent voter would have asked, “Which of these two movies would I rather be living in?”
So because two networks are right-wing, means the media as a whole isn’t liberal?
This cherry-picking is like saying, “You can’t seriously say that the state of Georgia is conservative, when the city of Atlanta went for Hillary by a 20-point margin.”
I wonder if people just got too complacent about getting involved and this was the end result.
Not an objective measurement but on forums in the past few years, it surprised me that people in other parts of the world seemed to know so much about U.S. politics while plenty of us Americans were so clueless about all the various things going on in our own country.
Personally, I did vote and did not vote orange but have definitely slipped into an attitude of not bothering much with politics overall.
Now, I sign lots of petitions and make a few donations at least. I hope it’s not too late.
About right or left wing, I am surprised not to hear more people say they are neither. My feeling is that either one, when moving out from the middle, soon sounds like they are nuts.
People vote on feelings.
It’s been nearly four months since Election Day and we still have people (not singling you out personally, but as a general point) wringing their hands and saying, in effect, “Why didn’t voters vote only on the basis of facts/logic/reason and not on feelings/emotion? We had the best charts, we had the best data, we had the best graphs, we had the economic explanations, we had the facts, we had the best scientists, we had the scientific evidence, why didn’t we win???”
Because, people aren’t robots. Many if not most people don’t walk into the voting booth thinking, “What would be the most intelligent and rational and well-considered vote today?”
The political left keeps whining, “Things *should *be a certain way.” OK, but *are *they that way? That’s more important. Whether something ***is ***X is more important than whether it ought to be X.
There is no network that panders to liberals the way that Fox imitates Pravda. Knee-jerk reaction: MSNBC. You know, the ones that give Joe Scarborough his own show. The ones that hired Greta VanSustern. The child network of the parent network that hired Megyn Kelly.
The “went for Obama twice” argument doesn’t address the “sexist” argument. You simply ignored the “sexist” argument, which fails as a technique for knocking it down.
And, sure: not a few voters decided ‘if Hillary wins my mom [or wife] will be unbearable’.
No, that never happened, so it wasn’t a factor.
Even Trump’s fans were more likely to describe him as ‘a guy who will shake things up’ rather than as your fantasy of “a forceful leader.” They saw him as an entertaining outsider who would, impishly, stick it to those Washington Elites. That’s nowhere near “forceful leader” territory.
I agree that few, if any, major media networks are as deeply blue as Fox News is deeply red. Fox News really isn’t subtle about its bias at all.
But Fox News is a deep-red island in a sea of light-blue networks. So the overall tallied cumulative effect is still a liberal media, all factors considered.
“Wringing their hands”
“Whining”
Well, that didn’t take very long, did it?
Another big factor is also the “Fatigue of one party in the White House.” It’s very difficult for a political party to win three presidential elections in a row; I think it’s only happened once since World War II, when Bush Sr. defeated Dukakis in 1988, and even then there was a point in that election year when Dukakis led Bush by a whopping 17 percentage points. And four years later, even with the breakup of the Soviet Union, and a 92% approval rating immediately after the Gulf War, Bush eventually lost to Bill Clinton.
After 8 years of Clinton, we got GWB, after 8 years of GWB, we got Obama, and after 8 years of Obama…
So entering 2016, there was already a slight advantage for the Republican candidate, whoever he or she was, against the Democratic nominee. Had Hillary won in 2016, then this would only have kicked the can further down the road. The 2020 election would have probably gone to the Republican challenger and Hillary would have lost as an incumbent.
There were three groups voting.
The “Yea Democrats! Boo Republicans!” group.
The “Yea Republicans! Boo Democrats!” group.
And the “F the whole lot of them, what we need is someone in there to shake up the whole system!”
Trump took the last two groups.
If Bernie ran up against Rubio, Bush, or Cruz he would have got the pro-Dem and F-em groups and won.
After 20 plus years of the WWW, people still fall for 419 scams. Pyramid schemes still work. We live in a country where suckers get taken by con men every day. This is just the ultimate scale.
The horse is dead.