[QUOTE=mawrestler_one25]
Please explain good sir I dont understand what your getting at.
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for the sake of the sanctity of GD. The rest of the posters (and myself) have seen and argued this point so much that it’s a tired, baseless logical statement. You haven’t made a new, or even particularly witty argument, and the “faithful” (as Der Trihs has pointed out) merely redefine the rules or tell you you don’t understand the nature of God.
of course any logical interpretation of a physical and omnipotent being will end in disaster, that has nothing to do with the nature of God to those who believe in Him.
You try to grasp a Divine with a human brain. That’s kinda like expecting the moth flying into your porch lamp to understand quantum mechanics. The curious little conceit of a lot of humans is thinking the only things that can exist are the things they are capable of grasping.
Come back when you can picture the fifth dimension. In 5D.
[QUOTE=Happy Scrappy Hero Pup]
You should apologize for your spelling as well.
Then, since an apology is dependent on actually realizing what you’ve done wrong and why it’s wrong, you should learn about logic and then apologize for that as well.
The actual question, as posed by St. Thomas Aquinas, was:
As I said before I don’t know how to write or spell or use correct grammer etc. I understand what I am doing to the english language is in fact wrong, but I can not think, “now that I know I have no idea how to write correctly I think I will automatically understand how to write correctly and from here on out write correctly.”
[QUOTE=mawrestler_one25]
The whole basis of the argument was If god is all powerful …
Maybe I didn’t specify, but I was specifically targeting cultures who do beleive in gods having no limit to their power.
As for your opinion about my arguments… well that is just an opinion.
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Well I was mainly being rude because you seem to think your argument was new and I did not preview and see you were in High School. So I apologize for being rude it might be new to you. However, your argument is very old, it is nothing new.
As **Der Trihs ** mentioned logic does not affect the faithful, they will fall back on faith. Most of the religious leaning on this board do not make claims that God is all powerful, so you might have a tough sell on getting a debate going on this subject. It will be hard to find someone to seriously take the other side.
[QUOTE=enigm4tic]
for the sake of the sanctity of GD. The rest of the posters (and myself) have seen and argued this point so much that it’s a tired, baseless logical statement. You haven’t made a new, or even particularly witty argument, and the “faithful” (as Der Trihs has pointed out) merely redefine the rules or tell you you don’t understand the nature of God.
of course any logical interpretation of a physical and omnipotent being will end in disaster, that has nothing to do with the nature of God to those who believe in Him.
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Sorry, I am new here and should probobly go through thousands of threads dating years back to make sure that I am not reposting any threads.
Sorry. We’ll endeavor to be more informative next time. Try to be less inflammatory and see if that helps… In the meantime, go to the link and read…if you have questions, feel free to post back…
[QUOTE=enigm4tic]
You haven’t made a new, or even particularly witty argument, and the “faithful” (as Der Trihs has pointed out) merely redefine the rules or** tell you you don’t understand the nature of God.**
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Annnnd . . .
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
You try to grasp a Divine with a human brain. That’s kinda like expecting the moth flying into your porch lamp to understand quantum mechanics. The curious little conceit of a lot of humans is thinking the only things that can exist are the things they are capable of grasping.
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They’re quick off the mark on it, too.
[QUOTE=mawrestler_one25]
Sorry, I am new here and should probobly go through thousands of threads dating years back to make sure that I am not reposting any threads.
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Read the excellent link Happy Scrappy Hero Pup provided, it is not an old argument for the Dope, it is an old argument for history. Some of us were smoking dope before you were born and discussing the same things and it was already a very old argument.
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster]
You try to grasp a Divine with a human brain. That’s kinda like expecting the moth flying into your porch lamp to understand quantum mechanics. The curious little conceit of a lot of humans is thinking the only things that can exist are the things they are capable of grasping.
Come back when you can picture the fifth dimension. In 5D.
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At one time people thought illness was caused by demons. If everyone had just settled for saying, “oh well, it’s beyond our understanding and that’s that” then we wouldn’t have medicine.
So when do you suggest we just stop trying to learn things and decide that the explanation for everything we don’t know is “God did it?”
[QUOTE=Scornhole]
At one time people thought illness was caused by demons. If everyone had just settled for saying, “oh well, it’s beyond our understanding and that’s that” then we wouldn’t have medicine.
So when do you suggest we just stop trying to learn things and decide that the explanation for everything we don’t know is “God did it?”
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Did you miss the spot where Quiddity Glomfuster said:
I’m not faithful anymore and still that is a silly argument, even if it was already settled!
Well, that idea of the OP is one old chestnut I thought it was always too easy to ignore, but recently I remember a Doper mentioning this: In essence, if you assume the god of the bible is correct, the answer to that silly riddle is that indeed god is not all powerful.
Instead of a rock, think about god’s decrees and rules, when for example he told humans he was never going to punish humanity with a flood again, he was for all practical purposes making the legendary rock he could not lift later. (and also, what the Lord said. . . . Lord Ashtar, that is…)
And so, this silly point is put to rest, but unfortunately it does nothing IMO to disprove this god.
The trouble is, even if god has limits in his “all powerful” properties it does not change anything for the faithful. The rock is not the point, but it is how to get to the humans that attempt to hide behind it. AFAICR, in theological explanations, the god of the bible will find a way around the rock to make his final judgment become a reality, which is the point for the faithful.
So put down that stone of an argument for crying out loud!
:smack: I guess I have to apologize again. I stopped arguing my point a while ago. I just heard the argument for the first time the other day and really liked it. Im just like a typical 17 year old who thinks I am not only infallible but also “THE SHIT” when really I am just overcompensate for the fact that I am totally insecure in not only my identity but my place in life.
[QUOTE=mawrestler_one25]
I think you not only confused me, but also made me consider reading that encyclopedia.
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It is probably a good idea to be able to back up your argument before saying something like “Basic logic Deal with it faithful!!!”
