Oh yeah, the Hitler argument.
Using that argument, we could easily assassinate Sharon and Bush. Anybody can compare anybody with Hitler, but that doesn’t mean anything.
Oh, excuse me, I didn’t know the oh-so-clever in-house rule. Please allow me to me restate my point.
Alan Owes Bess:
Why this bland acceptance of Arafat’s legitimacy as President.
Frutile Gesture:
Because that’s the way the Palestines like it.
Milum:
So true, Reminds me of how the Huns liked Attila.
Bloody YELLOW cowards !
Well, only if the Internet is the house in question: Godwin’s Law.
And how does this change, comparing your opponent to Attila instead of Hitler?
Will this do?
“I don’t know anyone who has as much civilian Jewish blood on his hands as Arafat since the Nazis’ time.” — Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
Sharon does not have the avowed intention of wiping Palestine and its people off of the map. Until Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist organizations retract this idiotic position, they will enjoy zero credibility with the global community at large.
While Arafat’s elimination may not stop the violence, it will remove one of the most significant stumbling blocks in the roadmap to peace. As mentioned before, every time it seems as though an accord is about to be reached, some sort of violence breaks out that can be traced back to Arafat’s organization. This rotter makes his biggest profit ($300,000,000 does not come from nowhere. Other organizations estimate his personal wealth to be more like $3,000,000,000.) from unrest and discord. I do not see where he has any intention or desire to stop the bloodshed. Once he did, he would be unable to run his schemes and rackets. The man is a thug and gangster who has cloaked himself in the pseudo-legitimacy of a political cause.
And I specifically mentioned that my own opinions do not dictate international law. What is your point, other than rhetorical?
How many of your hits mention specific involvement of Mother Theresa in any acts of terrorism? Let’s look at Arafat’s track record:
Google input = “arafat” + “hijacking”
Searched the web for arafat hijacking. Results 1 - 10 of about 14,100. Search took 0.26 seconds. [ol][li] yasser arafat and the plo — hijacking — terrorism — … … Led by Arafat, the PLO took up arms, hijacking airliners, blowing up busses and malls and committing numerous acts of violence and terrorism—which continue … [/li]www.terrorismvictims.org/terrorists/yasser-arafat.html - 25k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] The Achille Lauro Hijacking And Terrorism Revisited, by Dr. … [/li]… 13, one hijacker on the ship was quoted as saying they were there “in behalf of Yasser Arafat.” Arafat, however, publicly condemned the hijacking from the start …
www.washington-report.org/backissues/0489/8904014.htm - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] Pravda.RU State Department defends Arafat … 20:07 State Department defends Arafat WorldNetDaily news story: Finds no link to Achille Lauro hijacking, murders of US diplomats. More details… … [/li]english.pravda.ru/main/2002/08/26/35299.html - 72k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] Yasser Arafat, Christmas, and the PFLP … current dispute with Arafat over his planned Christmas visit to Bethlehem and its international repercussions. PFLP - The Initiator of Airplane Hijacking. … [/li]www.jcpa.org/art/brief1-13.htm - 13k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] Achille Lauro Hijacking 1985 What happened during the hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro … Abu Abbas, who was living freely in Yaser Arafat’s Palestinian Authority territory … [/li]www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_achille_lauro.php - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] Informal Exchange With Reporters on the Achille Lauro Hijacking [/li]… Informal Exchange With Reporters on the Achille Lauro Hijacking Incident October 10, 1985. … Q. Mr. President, Arafat has them now. …
www.reagan.utexas.edu/resource/ speeches/1985/101085a.htm - 6k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] israelinsider: Hijacking at Durban[/li]… is not the first instance of the Palestinians hijacking something other than … Under orders from future Nobel Prize winner, Yasser Arafat, Palestinian "activists …
www.israelinsider.com/views/articles/views_0121.htm - 38k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] HIJACKING MIDEAST PEACE[/li]HIJACKING MIDEAST PEACE. … Hostages to enmity and afraid of being brought down by their unyielding political rivals, Yasir Arafat, the Palestinian leader, and …
club.telepolis.com/lbouzal/nyt2.htm - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] Yahoo! Groups : iapinfo Messages : Message 74 of 3472[/li]… From: Islamic Association For Palestine <Iapinfo@i…> Date: Tue Jun 6, 2000 3:36 am Subject: IAP-Net: Abu Abbas and Arafat Sued For Achille Lauro Hijacking. …
groups.yahoo.com/group/iapinfo/message/74 - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] WorldNetDaily: State Department defends Arafat [/li]… US State Department spokesman has vigorously defended Yasser Arafat against reports … was responsible for the 1985 Achille Lauro cruise ship hijacking and murder …
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28712 - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] WorldNetDaily: State Department defends Arafat[/li]… Monday, August 26, 2002 TRAIL OF TERROR State Department defends Arafat Finds no link to Achille Lauro hijacking, murders of US diplomats …
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28712 - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
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[li] Achille Lauro survivors launch suit against Arafat [/li]Two American women are seeking to sue Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for $5 million in an Israeli court for damages resulting from the 1985 hijacking of the …
www.metimes.com/2K/issue2000-23/ reg/achille_lauro_survivors.htm - 4k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] Yasser Arafat in the 1970s and 1980s[/li]… Yasser Arafat decided to turn his efforts to hijacking. He provided support for the hijacking of a major cruise ship, selecting …
www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_arafat_1980s.php - 14k - Cached - Similar pages
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[li] PRESSipice[/li]… Now all the speculation and conjecture surrounding Yasser Arafat’s possible complicity in the hijacking (as well as other acts of barbarity) can be laid to …
users.bestweb.net/~russo/abbas.htm - 4k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] Informal Exchange With Reporters on the Achille Lauro Hijacking … [/li]… That what? Q. The Israelis say Yasser Arafat knew in advance of the hijacking. The President. I wouldn’t have any way of knowing whether that’s true or not. …
www.reagan.utexas.edu/resource/ speeches/1985/101085c.htm - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
[li] CNN.com - US captures mastermind of Achille Lauro hijacking - Apr … [/li]… Iraq Banner. US captures mastermind of Achille Lauro hijacking. From David Ensor CNN. Abbas in 1996. Story Tools. more video VIDEO. Abu …
www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/ 15/sprj.irq.abbas.arrested/ - 38k - Cached - Similar pages[/ol][sup]EMPHASIS ADDED[/SUP]
Those are merely the first 16 entries in order. Note how many of them deal with direct complicity?
Please indicate where Sharon is found to be directly complicit in these “murders.” Otherwise, spare us your nonsensical Google searches. I mentioned Arafat and my Google searching because I noticed an extremely high incidence of complicity being mentioned in many of the entries I found. I strongly doubt you will be able to do the same.
Please indicate where I mentioned that the Israeli council’s own decision equated to any sort of legitimate “verdict” of any sort. This thread is dealing with the speculative results of what would happen if Arafat was eliminated. Not the putative legitimacy of any decision to do so.
Ah, Godwin’s law rears its ugly little head.
Equating the Israelis with the Nazis is a nice piece of work. Please try to remember that the Nazis were not being attacked by the Jews in any way. The Nazis went out and detained the Jewish population of Germany and set about slaughtering them like cattle.
There is little, if any, correlation to how the Israelis are defending themselves against the continuous procession of civilian attacks.
This thread is not dedicated to defining terrorism. Feel free to start another one that does.
No, this thread is about what will happen if Arafat is killed by the Israelis. Please stop trying to hijack it.
Absolutely not. This thread deals with the ramifications of Arafat’s elimination.
This is not about stopping the homicide bombers. This is about killing the people who program (or finance) the homicide bombers. There is probably an endless procession of young idealists ready to blow themselves and other innocent civilians to smithereens. What there is a limited supply of is the persuasive and ideologically polarized schemers who program these youth. Killing them may well have a limiting effect on the homicide bombings. It certainly seems like a good place to start. I don’t think Yassin is going to making lots of public appearances in the future. He knows his number is up and this may well be a very good thing.
Why yes, I do see connections here. IT’S WHY I STARTED THIS THREAD! If you could restrain yourself from being argumentative and get back to the main topic, it would certainly be appreciated.
There is no ongoing discussion of any “trial.” Please refrain from hijacking this thread.
Feel free to start your own thread about it.
I still do not see Israel dedicating itself to the obliteration of Palestine. Please indicate where they on record as having done so or cease to interrupt this thread.
One more time (for the impaired) …
I have not said that Arafat’s elimination will cause Palestine to submit. The most I have said is that it may cause a short term backlash but that there may be better chances for peace without a bloodthirsty opportunistic gangster like Arafat impeding the entire peace process.
Dunno, Zenster, I get the points you make in the second half of your post, but that entire Google thing is utterly nonsensical.
I would really like to see you answer Blake’s post above - particularly this:
(By the way, all terrorist bombers who kill people are “homicide” bombers. “Suicide” bombers who include themselves in the death-toll. Hence the distinction. If you’re going to adopt a political neologism, at least adopt one that actually makes sense.)
You define terms as you want. You say Araft is a gangster. Well, let’s see what Webster tells us about the word ganster:
gangster: a member of a gang of criminals
criminal : one who has committed a crime
crime: an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law.
So, a gangster is somebody who breaks laws, which brings us to another statement in your long, noisy and angry posting:
So who is the gangster now? Perhaps Arafat is a gangster, without trial we will not know. But we know who else is a gangster. Somebody who kills him without a proper trial.
It may remove the “stumbling block” that is Arafat (and he is a stumbling block), but it will also blow up the road, add 9,000,000 tons of rocks, flood the area, and torch the fucking map. To kill Arafat would be a head on assassination of the current Palestinian leader, not a peace move. To not claim as much would be a dive into heavy masturbatory self delusions of peace.
BTW Zenster, what are you thinking bringing those webpages as cities? CNN is just about the only one that is a credible news site.
Okay, flonks, let’s say that Arafat is not a gangster. Where did he obtain some $300,000,000 to $3,000,000,000 in personal wealth while leading a dirt poor nation like Palestine? The combined per capita income of all the Palestinian people for the entire duration of Arafat’s rule probably does not total three billion dollars. You tell me where Arafat legitimately got this sort of money and I’ll publically withdraw my accusations of him being a gangster. Otherwise, please stop hijacking this thread with such nitpicks.
I have one question for all of you who keep blatting about how Israel has the explicit intention of “subjugating” Palestine.
Were the terrorist violence to end, permanently as of today, do you honestly think that Israel would refuse to exit Gaza or the West Bank and continue to maintain their military presence in those areas designated for the upcoming Palestinian state?
I posted the Google information due to nonsensical comparisons about Mother Theresa and garbage like that. If people would refrain from idiotic apples-and-orange examples, it would not have been necessary.
Also, a sucide bomber is someone who kills only themselves with an explosive device. A homicide bomber is someone who uses an explosive device to kill others. Anyone who knows me is well aware of my hatred for politically correct neologisms. I use “homicide bomber” because I feel it more accurately reflects the true intent and impact of these fell acts.
The 3 billion dollar figure is ridiculous, yes I’ve heard it before, but do you know how it was arrived at? By assuming he embezzled every penny of aid to Palestine, even though most of it goes through NGOs! Most of the money he controls is PLO money in Swiss bank accounts, certainly not his personal wealth. The main criticm of Arafta just like alot of the PA is that quite a bit of the money is spent on themselevs (though we are not talking Imelda Marcos type stuff).
Remembre the current intifada started in 1999, the occupation started in 1967. The settlers certainly don’t seem to think that they’re going to have to move out ever and the settlements have been th lifeblood of Likud.
Zenster, you seem to be saying that Arafat should be assasinated because of allegations that he is corrupt which is a pretty poor reason, but perhaps we should assainate Sharon also then by this reasoning, no?
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/charlotte/news/world/6508489.htm
Absolutely. The effects of assassinating Arafat won’t be a short-term impact on the peace process, it will signal the end of the current round of peace talks (not that I hold out any real hope for them, unfortunately), and plunge the area into wide spread violence. Killing Arafat and the bloodshed that will undoubtedly ensue will be remembered for a long time. Even if one holds Arafat to be personally responsible for all terrorism, Israel’s campaign against terrorist leadership only gives Israel retribution, it hasn’t dented the scale of terrorism. The requirements for suicide bombing aren’t that great. All it takes is explosives (hardly a difficult commodity to find in the Middle East), someone willing to blow themselves up in a crowd and successfully infiltrating them into Israel. It doesn’t require much in the way of leadership, and killing Arafat will create a new martyr for their cause.
Regarding suicide bombers vs. homicide bombers: the difference between bombing and suicide bombing is not that a suicide bomber only blows himself up, the difference is that the suicide bomber blows himself up rather than setting a bomb to remotely detonate. One doesn’t hear of Japan turning to homicide weapons at the end of WWII; they turned to suicide weapons.
No, I don’t think Israel would. There have been periods of relative calm and safety before and in between the two intifadas, and there was no withdrawal. Meanwhile, successive governments were encouraging settlement of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and nobody was more enthusiastic about settlements than Sharon. Have you seen a map of the settlements? How are they going to sort that little mess out? Remeber Sharon asserting Israeli dominance over the Dome of the Rock in 2000?
The justification for holding (and settling) the OTs used to be that it was a strategic buffer zone to protect Israel from Egypt and Jordan, neither of which threaten Israel today (I concede that the Golan heights are possibly still necessary). The justification today is that Israel needs to occupy them to prevent terrorism. It clearly isn’t working.
Your suggestion is also predicated on what you mean by “permanently”. There’s a ceasefire of the major groups in Northern Ireland, and the political parties have actually sat down in the same democratic chamber (in between impasses), but there are still a few fuckers out there blowing things up and shooting people. Demanding permanence means that a single suicide bomber (your phrase makes “suicide” sound noble) or fucker with a gun, acting in isolation, can fuck the entire thing up. Compromise is needed - on both sides. And that compromise will probably involve Israel suffering more terrorism. But I’d bet good money that an Israeli withdrawal today would diminish it dramatically. It couldn’t be much worse than it is at the moment. But that would mean dismantling the settlements, and I don’t think Sharon is inclined to do that either, despite what he said earlier this year.
If Arafat spontaneously vaporized, or was caught in flagrante delicto with a sheep, then maybe it would be a positive removal of an obstacle, but Israel assassinating or expelling him will make the situation much, much worse.
I despise terrorism, and it pisses me off that the pro-human rights take on the situation is so often portrayed as pro-terrorist. It isn’t. But so much US analysis of the situation seems to consider the appalling terrorism in isolation, neglecting the history, lumping all Arabs together as a homogenous mass, and ignoring the ghastly Israeli treatment of Palestinian civilians, including the dreadful death toll, that sometimes it appears to come over as weighted in favour of the Palestinian side.
No, that won’t do.
- It’s not evidence, just propaganda.
- The source is biased.
- Here is some further stuff on the source:
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon returned home Friday as the killing of six Palestinians, including a pair of women and children, in the southern Gaza Strip put Israel in the hot seat once again over charges its army uses excessive force in the occupied territories.
Thursday’s toll included a four-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy, two young men and two elderly women, Rafah hospital director Ali Mussa told AFP.
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The deaths also sparked international outrage at what is increasingly perceived as Israel’s lack of concern for civilians caught in the crossfire.
The European Union’s Danish presidency said, “The resort to violence and the excessive use of military counter measures against it must be stopped by both sides.”
The “presidency strongly deplores the incident” in Rafah, the statement said, adding that “irrespective of the circumstances, the lives of civilians, be it children or adults, must be protected and spared.”
The UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, said two schools were hit by tank shells, including one run by the agency. One of the shells failed to explode.
“This is another case of disproportionate force being use against civilian targets, including schools full of children,” "said the agency’s commissioner-general, Peter Hansen in a statement.
Russia and France also slammed what they deemed Israel’s excessive use of force in Rafah.
“We roundly deplore the recent incidents yesterday in Rafah, in the Gaza Strip, where Israeli shells on a school and Palestinian houses left at least eight dead, including two children,” a spokeswoman for the French foreign ministry, Cecile Pozzo di Borgo, said.
“We call the Israeli authorities to show better restraint and to halt all military operations in the Palestinian territories,” she told a media conference.
Pozzo di Borgo added that Paris saw Israel’s incursions as a violation of the Geneva Conventions and a blow to international efforts to restore some sort of stability to the region.
The Rafah incidents “result once again from the Israeli army’s recourse to disproportionate military means against a civilian Palestinian population in densely populated urban areas,” she said.
At home, Israeli opposition leader Yossi Sarid from the left-wing Meretz party called on Israel to “stop its cruel war machine”.
http://www.metimes.com/2K2/issue2002-42/reg/sharon_returns_home.htm
Richard Falk, professor of international law at Princeton University in the US, said he was in no doubt Sharon could be indicted over the refugee camp deaths
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Israel’s Kahan Commission named Sharon in 1983 as the Israeli commander who sent Lebanese Christian militia to the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps, where they massacred hundreds of unarmed civilians.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/israelipoli/beirut_survivors.htm
In Madrid, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and ranking officials from three other world powers called for an immediate end to Israel’s military operation in the West Bank and for both Israelis and Palestinians to end “this senseless confrontation.”
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In the West Bank, the Israeli operation continued Wednesday. In the Jenin camp, mass surrenders were reported—along with large numbers of deaths. Scores of Palestinians and about 30 Israeli soldiers were killed in a week of fighting. Israel said Palestinian gunmen put up their stiffest resistance in Jenin; Palestinian officials accused Israel of “massacres.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-041102izpals.story
JERUSALEM - The Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank has become a scene of misery and terror for both sides in the Middle East conflict.
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Despite the Israeli deaths in Jenin, the campaign in the West Bank will continue as planned, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said.
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/04/09/mideast_tuesday020409
These were 4 of the first 5 reports - I could have a look through the next hundred thousand, but I’ve already made my point.
By contrast, of your 16 ‘arafat hijacking’ threads:
1 is a condemnation of the violence by Arafat;
4 are denials by the US state department (or the US President) that Arafat was involved;
1 describes speculation that he ‘might’ have been ‘involved’;
3 say that Abbas was the hijacker;
1 mentions Arafat’s Nobel Prize.
Goodness - so you’re saying that the remaining 6 random internet threads outweigh an official US state department denial?
By contrast my threads are mainly newspaper reports, and include many senior officials (+ courts) condemning Saharon’s violence.
I admit Mother Theresa is innocent.
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I despise terrorism, and it pisses me off that the pro-human rights take on the situation is so often portrayed as pro-terrorist. It isn’t. But so much US analysis of the situation seems to consider the appalling terrorism in isolation, neglecting the history, lumping all Arabs together as a homogenous mass, and ignoring the ghastly Israeli treatment of Palestinian civilians, including the dreadful death toll, that sometimes it appears to come over as weighted in favour of the Palestinian side.
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How true! These people are probably the worst enemy for the situation. They give Arafat a boost of confidence. He latches onto it as his ‘cause’. When really it is his ‘cause’ that ‘causes’ it.
glee has just proved it. He list a bunch of civilian casualties. Each refers to the victims being ‘children’ or ‘women and children’ or a ‘school’. Meanwhile, on the other side of the border, ‘civilians killed’, ‘children injured’, ‘buss carrying school children’.
My point is that these make it look as if a suicide bomber is an ‘accident’, while Israel went out of theire way to prepare a full scale military opperation to bomb a school just before the lunch-time bell!!!
If you were to pay a visit to the area, you would see that as soon as there is a cammera in the vicinity, many of these fanatics will grab theire families out of safties way, and throw them into the middle of a firefight!!! The cammera, of-course, must capture these images, making it look as if soldiers are firing at civilians.
Keeping his people poor is Arafats most powerfull weapon, they have nothing to loose. You take that away from him and he is nothing but a big nosed bully.
jjimm, I think you have made some good points about having to compromise. It is absolutely true, there are no ‘good guys’ here, only bad guys its a matter of choosing the lesser evil. And whether or not Israel will withdraw once things have settled down, well, there is ONLY ONE way to find out - and i’m afraid the ball is in Arafats court on this issue. Although, I think you may be right in that they will keep it as long as possible - lets tackle this when we get to it.
IMHO, if arafat was gone, there would be little holding up these terrorist organizations. I am not saying he is some kind of leader for them, but they do latch onto him for his ‘legitimate’ political position.
I like the sheep idea (but they would probably accuse the sheep of being jewish).
here it is again re-formated and re-posted, just incase you missed it the first time 
How true! These people are probably the worst enemy for the situation. They give Arafat a boost of confidence. He latches onto it as his ‘cause’. When really it is his ‘cause’ that ‘causes’ it.
glee has just proved it. He list a bunch of civilian casualties. Each refers to the victims being ‘children’ or ‘women and children’ or a ‘school’. Meanwhile, on the other side of the border, ‘civilians killed’, ‘children injured’, ‘buss carrying school children’.
My point is that these make it look as if a suicide bomber is an ‘accident’, while Israel went out of theire way to prepare a full scale military opperation to bomb a school just before the lunch-time bell!!!
If you were to pay a visit to the area, you would see that as soon as there is a cammera in the vicinity, many of these fanatics will grab theire families out of safties way, and throw them into the middle of a firefight!!! The cammera, of-course, must capture these images, making it look as if soldiers are firing at civilians.
Keeping his people poor is Arafats most powerfull weapon, they have nothing to loose. You take that away from him and he is nothing but a big nosed bully.
jjimm, I think you have made some good points about having to compromise. It is absolutely true, there are no ‘good guys’ here, only bad guys its a matter of choosing the lesser evil. And whether or not Israel will withdraw once things have settled down, well, there is ONLY ONE way to find out - and i’m afraid the ball is in Arafats court on this issue. Although, I think you may be right in that they will keep it as long as possible - lets tackle this when we get to it.
IMHO, if arafat was gone, there would be little holding up these terrorist organizations. I am not saying he is some kind of leader for them, but they do latch onto him for his ‘legitimate’ political position.
I like the sheep idea (but they would probably accuse the sheep of being jewish).
Zenster is there any chance at all of you adressing my post above? I really am confused. You seem to be implying that the slaughter of innocents by terrorist tactics is accepatble when carried out by Sharon et al, but grounds for immediate execution when carried out by Arafat and Co. That strikes me as being the worst kind of special case pleading and about as logically supportable as a belief in the Jolly green Giant.
I note that you now seem to be implying that allegations of corruption are also grounds for killing someone without a trial
Zenster your posting style seems to consist entirely of rhetoric with no actual substance. Can you possilbly correct this by filling us in on the thought processes wherby you came to your conclusions about what constitutes accpetable terrorism and corruption and what constitutes terrorism and corruption which mandates execution. So far you appear to be simply looking for excuses to justify your belief tht Araft should be killed, rather than constructing an argument to support that belief.
Blake, I have not read any of what you say in any of Zenster statements. I can’t stand ‘playgroung politics’.
For me its clear:
a) If you take out Sharon, we still have a problem.
b) If you take out Arafat, we still have problem.
c) If you replace Sharon with a peace-loving hippy, we still have a problem.
d) If you replace Arafat with a peace-loving hippy, what exactly do you see would be the problem?
Note: ‘peace-loving hippy’ is an exaggeration.
I have no idea what you mean by ‘playgroung politics’ FairDink. I assume that you mean that you find it unplatable that I ask Zenster to expound a rational argument, or at the very least to clarify what argument he is attempting to make. Whatever. However stating that you haven’t read anything I posted hardly make sme inclined t bother posting anything for your benefit alone. Read what I have posted and if you still have any questions get back to me. I’m not going ot rehash old stuff because you can’t be bothered reading it.
We can’t communicate. Either you don’t read my postings or you don’t want to understand them.
I don’t know whether Arafat is a gangster or not. But if he is, then I want to see him in a trial and I want to see some proofs. And I am not the only one.
And if you tell me again that this is nit picking and you don’t care about law, and you want him assassinated because he is supposed to be corrupt, then you are the gangster, by definition.
Can you address this please, instead of wining around about Arafats alleged crimes?