What if Trump plays a game of extreme brinkmanship and passes an order to open all USA borders to all of humankind. ie no visa or passports required for anyone.
“Will” is an opinion and not suitable to GQ, but “can”? I think both political wings and the enforcement agencies would go apeshit trying to get the order voided. I can’t imagine anyone but the most slobbering love-all-mankind types (with nothing to lose, personally) supporting such a situation.
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Have you not just st described all the lefty types marching the streets of USA?
No, you are not. You are woefully misinformed. Most “lefties” I know simply advocate maintaining the status quo; that is, what we are already doing.
Are you familiar with the processes as they are/were, prior to the election of Trump, and as they have been since 9/11?
Funny thing – they have been adequate to the extent of preventing all terrorist attacks on American soil by legal immigrants, including refugees, save one. The one the right can’t stop talking about: A woman in San Bernardino.
Can you really be so misinformed? I can’t think of any “lefties” who advocate what you propose in the OP.
Can you provide a cite for anyone proposing absolutely uncontrolled immigration?
The left would sit back with a bowl of popcorn.
The right would explode in insane fury, and go to the courts for an emergency hearing to get it voided.
The courts would review it carefully, and determine if it is within the legitimate power of the Presidency. Since there are immigration laws in force, duly passed by Congress and signed by previous presidents that this order would contradict, the order almost certainly would not stand.
I’m one of the guys with the popcorn.
There is an “Open Borders” movement prevalent on the more extreme and harder left, particularly among groups with anarchist leanings, though the ideas do also find at least some sympathy on the liberal left too. The Open Borders Network would be an example.
Supported i believe by Soros and his billions. Around the Western world.
So do you think the left believe in an upper limit in Immigration.
A threshold after which they will join the right?
Who is misinformed here?
How many members of Congress are part of that movement? Unless it’s some substantial number, then it’s really just some fringe that can be ignored. In which case, Trump would be making a move even more stupid than the one he made.
Yes, and we insist on doing it with your money. Hand it over.
Thanks for the nuanced contribution.
Absolutely without a doubt and embarrassingly obviously you.
You are ofcourse welcome to the exalted position you place yourself in.
You made the assertion that “lefty types marching the streets of the USA” prove your initial claim that they want unlimited immigration. This tells me that you don’t know what the protests are about.
You seem to have some interesting beliefs. Have you considered gathering them all up and starting a church?
Emphases added.
I will note that the authors are not bandana-clad antifa kids but economics professors and other think-tank types. Also: libertarian and economically pragmatic arguments are as heavily represented as bleeding-heart moral ones.
I’d encourage the OP to check out some of this material to get a better sense of the shape of the debate over open borders.
What’s the real difference between supporting open borders and the support for not enforcing current immigration law? Seems disingenuous to suggest there is any.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident - that all men are created equal and are equally endowed by their creator with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”
If you believe in that statement, then you ought to believe in open borders as an appropriate** long term** goal. There is no moral basis for discrimination on the grounds of birthplace, any more than on the grounds of your grandparents’ birthplace (ie, “race”)
Note, however, that even as a supporter of open borders I say “long term” here - sudden dramatic changes in policy always cause conflict and are generally a bad idea. The Trump administration is not going to pursue an “instantly throw open borders” policy, but if they did, it would be specifically in order to cause chaos - a thing I think rational people mostly disapprove of.
Combined with, of course, E Pluribus Unum - “From [the] many, one.”
But long-term goals and aspirations are often at odds with immediate, practical issues.