We’ve got Al Sharpton now trying to get Kid Rock’s sponsorships taken away because he refuses to give up the Confederate flag.
It’s perfectly fine to criticize Kid Rock’s use of the flag. It’s not fine to try to damage his career over it(except of course by your own decision to not buy his music or go to his shows). We reallly should get an anti-PC movement going that destroys the lives of people who try to destroy the lives of people. Use the same tactics.
In the context of one of those “humanity’s first” things, which sometime gather a modicum of interest. Also that was broadcast on the Internet. So, yes, global. Do you not get this yet ?
Of course it was excessively hostile. Have you even *met *the Internet ?
The fact that he was wearing it as a favour to a female friend has absolutely fuck all to do with it however, OR to the notion that it was a sexist/exploitative/whateverthefuck shirt to be wearing on global TV. If you laudatively quote Phyllis Schlafly’s latest 17th century opinion, does that make the quote less horribly misogynistic and bonkers, and you less of a prick for not seeing anything wrong with it ? See : I’m not racist, my black friend says…
But did we consent?
So you can have an opinion to not buy his music or go to his shows. But Jesse Jackson can’t try and entice you to have that opinion. Because free speech, I suppose ? Got it.
Well, no, else it wouldn’t be rape. But some countries, you know, they rape easy. Plus you were probably asking for it, walking just shy of Central America at 2 AM, showing off your ample economic opportunities and wearing low-cut health care…
And entirely incorrect. The “Twitter twats” (as you bizarrely call them) mocked him by asking women scientists to post pictures of themselves looking “distractingly sexy” in their working attire and environments (woo - hazmat suits! Hot stuff!). And they did, in their dozens - I was following it at the time and it was pretty funny. But there wasn’t a “Twitter hate mob” calling for his resignation; the university decided to sever its relationship with Sir Tim all on its own based on his comments.
Furthermore, the whole episode provided a useful launching point for multiple discussions of how much sexism remains endemic in the scientific community at a time when more and more women are entering STEM fields.
But thanks for validating the OP.
I have the right to wear any kind of health care I want! Or no health care at all!
Amer … ! … Dammit.
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Judgmental countryist!
Entice is not the word you’re looking for. Intimidate is the word you’re looking for.
I think the Dixie Chicks’ example shows how things go too far. They lost sponsors, other artists, such as Madonna, were intimidated and toned down their criticism of GWB in their art(and it takes a LOT to intimidate Madonna). Merle Haggard called it “a lynching”. Well, yeah, it was.
But that’s how we respond to offense now. We need to untrain that out of our society.
How exactly is it intimidation ? Did ol’ Jesse tell them sponsor boys he wuz gon’ kick their asses ? Did he say his vast, unquestioning horde of negro minions wuz gon’ kick their asses ? What ?
“I’m going to tell people how shit you are, just you watch” is not intimidation, for chrissakes. Especially when there’s such an easy way out : don’t be shit. It’s much harder to get away from *actual *bullies, who pick on you because you’re there and helpless (or should that be helpfree ? I can never get that PC shit right…).
Not really. It’s an improvement. We used to cut people into ribbons for that shit.
Natalie Maines said something inappropriate in the wrong place at the wrong time. She deserved every bit of criticism she got for that. She did not deserve for her band to basically be ostracized from the country music industry.
And even if you don’t think it’s intimidation, it’s also not “I’m going to tell everyone what a shit you are” either. It’s “I’m going to try to ruin your life. I’m going to try to tell people not to associate with you lest I accuse them of endorsing your views.”
Of course we know that “niggardly” has nothing to do with the racial slur. But a person in a position of responsibility should have foreseen how easily it would be misinterpreted nonetheless. For that and that alone he should be terminated and his reputation stained forever. In fact, can we be fully sure he wasn’t just coyly using the word “niggardly” thinking he had deniability?
Of course the Soviet Union was our allies at the time, and a lot of people went to parties in Hollywood and met people whose political affiliations they didn’t know. Nonetheless, if a person in a position of responsibility cannot recall the names of his acquaintances so as to aid our vital investigations, for that and that alone he should be terminated and his reputation stained forever. In fact, can we be fully sure he wasn’t just coyly having convenient memory lapses?
That’s the thing, though. She never did.
And I’m not just saying that just because history vindicated her. She was voicing an opinion, as a private individual (well, as the band’s spokesperson on stage I guess). She was not the Ambassador of All Things America, she wasn’t speaking to an Internet podcast, she just said a thing that would get some cheap cheers. There’s nothing inappropriate about that and besides, country music as a genre has traditionally skewed “rebel”.
The fact that country music fans apparently hadn’t noticed yet is why you shouldn’t play country music in the first place. Now *that’s *something you should get opprobrium for 
Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it. Deserve never had anything to do with anything.
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Of course we know that “niggardly” has nothing to do with the racial slur. But a person in a position of responsibility should have foreseen how easily it would be misinterpreted nonetheless. For that and that alone he should be terminated and his reputation stained forever. In fact, can we be fully sure he wasn’t just coyly using the word “niggardly” thinking he had deniability?
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:rolleyes:'s good enough for you.
How is this
inappropriate?
Kid Rock chooses to display the flag of racial hatred. If he chooses to do this, then he must accept that others will call attention to it.
Like I give a shit if he got fired. He needs to shut his damn mouth, and what he said was pretty damn sexist - women can’t work in the field because they cry and because everyone falls in love with them.
When will men understand that is not OK to say? How do you think that is OK to say? Women have been slaves or second class citizens for thousands of years, and there are now thousands of woman scientists and this guy couldn’t think of something better to say? Something, I don’t know, true? Inspiring? Good gods.
If the university wants to fire him more power to them. What do you think, they should be forced to keep him on despite his words? Despite his “PC bullshit”?
I say again: tough shit.
Which is fine. Going after his tour sponsors though is actually an attempt to ruin him. That’s not fine and anyone who tries that should have the same thing done to them.
Except he was taken out of context. And even if he wasn’t, it was inappropriate for him to have to resign.
What’s worse is that since he was okay with the PC left, a lot of people tried to get him a dispensation by attesting to his fine liberal character. It didn’t work, nor should it work. But it shows how PC-ness has become a lot like old style Catholic inquisitions.
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