Illuminati vs. Jesus [a debate about evolution]

[Jackmannii]

@Der_Trihs

She can also fight back or call for help, while an egg is passive. A small animal that could break through the shell of a “human egg” and eat the contents would find itself smashed with the nearest heavy object if it tried that with a pregnant woman.

I think I saw this on “The Big Bang Theory”.

[Bryan_Ekers]

@reef_shark

If you dont believe me, translate the KJV back into greek and then hebrew yourself. The proof is there, dont believe anybody based on word of mouth alone.

I tried that. It turns out Jesus is a super karate monkey death car.

[GIGObuster]

@Bryan_Ekers

I tried that. It turns out Jesus is a super karate monkey death car.

Is that the prequel to Robo Geisha?

[Bryan_Ekers]

I dunno, but he kept saying “All your cross are belong to us.”

[John_DiFool]

Welp, he hasn’t been on since 1pm today folks-draw your own conclusions.

[kaylasdad99]

He went extinct?

[Wendell_Wagner]

O.K., reef shark, so you know that the King James Version is always a more accurate translation than any other English-language translation. Great! So you know Greek and Hebrew. Quote for us a dozen Biblical passages in the original language that demonstrate the greater accuracy of the King James Version. Make sure some are from the Old Testament and some are from the New Testament, so we can check on the quality of both the Hebrew and Greek translations. Since most of us don’t know Greek or Hebrew, then explain to us precisely what each passage means in English, being careful to explain what makes the passage hard to precisely translate into English. Then quote for us the same passages in all the following translations:

God’s Word Translation
Contemporary English Version
New Century Version
Today’s English Version
New American Standard
New International Version
Living Bible
Revised Standard Version
Jerusalem Bible
New King James Version
New Revised Standard Version
Revised English Bible
New American Bible
Confraternity Version
New English Bible
Knox’s Version
New Living Translation

I have all those versions, so I can check your references. Alas, I don’t know Greek or Hebrew and don’t own Bibles in those languages. You do know those languages though, so you can tell us all about the fine details of translating from Greek and Hebrew to English. So where did you learn Greek and Hebrew? Anyway, explain for each of the dozen passages and each of the eighteen English-language versions why the King James Version is the best of those eighteen. Golly, I’m honored to be in the presence of a scholar like yourself.

[I_Love_Me_Vol.I]

@reef_shark

Do you believe in the big bang, or what the bible teaches? Those are the only two options, unless you think youre in the matrix.

Reef said, “There’s just three options. Ho, ho.
Bible, Matrix, or the Big Bang. Go, go!”

Just so,
Just so.
Now everybody know

We gots–
Hindus in the Matrix. Yo, yo.
Buddhists in the Matrix. Yo, yo.
Shintos in the Matrix. Yo, yo.
Baha’i in the Matrix. Yo, yo.
Zoroastrians in the Matrix. Yo, yo.

Ain’t no Christians in the Matrix. No, no.
Ain’t no Christians in the Matrix. No, no.

'Cause they have read the Bible. Whoa, whoa.
Yeah, they have read the Bible. Whoa, whoa.

[Der_Trihs]

@kaylasdad99

He went extinct?

He evolved.

[Astral_Rejection]

Clevah girl…

[Bryan_Ekers]

@John_DiFool

Welp, he hasn’t been on since 1pm today folks-draw your own conclusions.

He intelligently resigned?

[Mosier]

@reef_shark

Im asking anybody to provide evidence for evolution (not natural selection, or ‘micro-evolution’). Thats the opposite of saying I dont need evidence.

“Thing’s don’t exist just because you believe in them. THUS SAYETH THE ALMIGHTY CREATURE IN THE SKY!!!”

[reef_shark]

@Czarcasm

1Qlsa(aka “The Isaiah Scroll”) only contains the Book of Isaiah…and there are numerous discrepancies between that scroll and the King James version of that book.

Wrong, the Isaiah Scroll emerged as the precursor to the whole hebrew Old Testament, 2000 years after the first bibles were written. This alone should convince a lot of people if they researched it.

[reef_shark]

@iiandyiiii

On evolution- one of the most interesting, and relatively recent, evolutionary stories (in my opinion) is the origin of birds. When I grew up, dinosaurs were reptiles, and cold-blooded. I recall inklings of the birds = dinosaurs idea, but it was not widely accepted.

But now, it is. There are lots and lots of feathered dinosaurfossils- and even four-wingedvarieties!

If God made everything without evolution, he made it in such a way that fossils and DNA tell a really fascinating (and IMO far more fascinating then the bible) story of life on earth.

So you think reptiles turned into birds??? Scales to feathers??? Is this observable? Thanks anyway.

[reef_shark]

@Great_Antibob

It’s not the first version in English. Not even the first CoE sanctioned English version. And King James was pretty clear that accuracy wasn’t the only concern in the translation. Here’s the wiki link, for all that it matters.

The copyright thing also doesn’t stand up. Several other English versions are based on direct and often more modern translations. For example, the New American Bible features direct translations from Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, rather than an adaptation of the KJV.

The “accurate” translation of any text from any other language is a rather subjective thing at best, anyway. Direct, literal translation of many phrases often don’t make sense in other languages, so translators need to have some freedom to interpret intent as well, which is itself dependent on social and cultural norms.

Of all the older English versions of the Bible, the history of the KJV may be the best known, so it boggles the mind how a devotee can get so many of the facts about it wrong.

You posted a link about the KJV, thanks! The NAB came after.

[reef_shark]

@CurtC

This is dodging my question by changing the subject. The question I asked is:

I’m really curious and would like your answer, because, it seems to me, it’s such an obvious flaw in the creationist view. By the way, I appreciate that you’re trying to answer the flood of questions here. Very impressive.

You completely ignored my whole post about fossils and the flood, huh?

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

How do you explain the fossilized clams on top of Everest?

[reef_shark]

@Marley23

I’ll cop to being annoyed for about five minutes, but the main point of my objection to the “are there apes in your ancestry?” thing is that one, it’s wrong; two, it’s a stupid thing to say for several different reasons; and three, if reef shark is going to blame evolution for an increase in crime, being ‘un-Christian’ about it contradicts his point even though he was also wrong about crime statistics and the start date for the teaching of evolution in schools, not to mention the logic behind the entire proposition.

But your DNA is 50% the same as a banana, right? I didnt make this up.

[reef_shark]

@Latro

That doesn’t answer the question.
Why did he have to wait for a genius to come along?
Why are earlier translations, like the Wycliff bible, or later translations, not perfect?

IOW what is preventig the Almighty God from writing clearly?

Vulgate

The catholic bible isnt the same as the KJV.

[reef_shark]

@Astral_Rejection

reef shark, I’m going to take a stab at demonstrating evolution in a fairly visible way, because you seem unmoved by genetic evidence. I expect you’ll dismiss this as you did the evidence for whales and horses earlier, but I’m talking about something that interests me, so it’ll be fun to try to persuade you.

Back in the Cenezoic, there were a group of birds called the Phorusrhacids, which are more awesomely known as “Terror Birds.” These large, carnivorous birds stood about 10 feet tall and lived somewhere between 30 and 1.8 million years ago, with some evidence suggesting they may have lived even longer. One such Terror Bird had an eagle-shaped skull and is possibly the largest bird ever discovered. They represent an extinct class of birds, and are most closely related to Falcons, Parrots, and Passerines (song birds).

These Terror Birds, and especially Titanus Walleri, were the apex predators of their time. The fossil record shows the Phorusrhacids increasing in size as the years tick on, with new off-shoot species appearing. I trust you know enough about how animals work to realize that between most species, interbreeding isn’t possible. As new Phorusrhacids appear in the fossil record over the millions of years, we’ve finally arrived at my question to you: without evolution, where did all of these new, distinct, increasingly-massive bird species come from?

Did these birds change into a different animal? Do condors, albatross, eagles change into something different? Or are they always birds??

[reef_shark]

@GIGObuster

Once again, it is marked as a transitional creature.

Transitional fossil - Wikipedia

And once again, it is not only that one, it is clear that you still think there are no transitional fossils so I think you are not here to see the evidence but only to proselytize.

Please post your best one. Thank you.