I'm done with my sister

My sister and I moved in together about three years ago because she was on workers’ comp and couldn’t afford to live alone anymore. At the time I was living with my parents’ with no real plans to move out. Gimme a break - I was young and immature (okay, I’m still young). The deal at the time was that I would pay the rent because I had a job, and she would do the house-cleaning, take care of (her) (four!) cats, and pay the utilities not covered by the apartment complex, which worked out to just be the phone bill. We moved into a low-income place.

I quickly learned exactly how much my sister is a giant pain in the ass. I knew she was annoying, but I didn’t realize she doesn’t believe in keeping a regular sleep schedule, a good diet, or basically doing anything normal. She doesn’t deal well with heat and we have no AC, so during the summer she’d be useless and stay in bed all day long and then get up in the night feeling sick as a dog. She insists she cleans better than I do, but quickly proved that no matter how well you clean (and I don’t think I really clean that much worse) it doesn’t make much difference if you’re only vacuuming once a month and never really cleaning the kitchen. She’d clean the bathroom regularly, minus the bathtub (because it hurt her arm). So I’d end up doing the vacuuming when it started bugging me, with her insisting she’d do it because she did it better. I’d always tell her she could go back and do whatever I missed and she never did.

She never washed dishes. She has descoware cast iron enameled pots and pans. She’d manage to cook pasta but she could never wash the pot or colander (Bullshit). So it’d sit there, sometimes molding, until I’d do it. She never cleaned out the fridge. I’d clean out my food regularly and would throw hers out when it started molding. She never washed the counters, despite the fact that we had four cats that she never trained to stay off the counters, on top of all the fur floating through the air.

We don’t eat the same things, so she’d buy her own groceries. I always offered to buy her stuff, but she’d rarely add to my grocery list. On occasion she’d eat my food if I made Mexican food or something. Not really a big deal but annoying if I had be relying on that for my next meal. She’d drink all the milk, which was the mainstay of my breakfast so sometimes I’d have to skip breakfast. She never bought milk because she couldn’t carry it. :rolleyes:

She refused to drink tap water so she’d go to the water store and refill water jugs. She tried to get me to ‘help’ her with that as much as possible.

She couldn’t lift the boxes of litter so I’d always end up being the one buying and changing the litterboxes. On top of that, Stella would pee on our beds when she was annoyed with my sister.

There’s much more, but basically my sister would expect me to be her servant and drop whatever I was doing to help her. Despite her not having money, if she wanted something she’d buy it. If she didn’t have money and it was something for ‘us’ like camping supplies, I’d pay for it.

Now, admittedly I was getting stuff out of the deal: she made me a couple of bodices for RenFaire, we used her towels and dishes, various other things, and when she finally got her settlement she paid off my car loan and nearly all of my credit card debt. Towards the end as much as possible I’d refuse to do stuff for her.

Whenever she had a boyfriend or girlfriend she’d spend most of her time at their place, which was perfectly okay with me. A few months ago she got a boyfriend and he got her a job. She also got a job babysitting so between all that she was basically never home. Which was fantastic for me, if not so much for her cats. So then she started moving in with her boyfriend and his wife.

Before I go on, I suppose I should clear some things up. I have no problem with anything as long as everyone involved is consenting and adult. I have no problem with homosexuality, bisexuality, open marriages, BDSM, or anything else. I’m not into any of it, but feel free. I will support your right to do whatever you want to do in private. Just don’t expect me to want to hear details. My sister would love to try to tell my details, although eventually she stopped. Thank goodness.

So, anyway, she’s moving in with her boyfriend and his wife. Originally she was going to pay me $100 a month to keep her room (that being the difference in rent between an one and two bedroom apartment). Then she lost her job (if she’s telling the truth, which I can never be sure of, they were yanking her around). Well, I understood that the $100 was not going to happen. But she was still paying the phone bill. Okay, fair deal.

So far she’s taken her trashcans (?!) (and leaving me to buy new trashcans, what the hell?), her tools (fine, whatever), various other small things (including some bins out of the hallway closet right next to my head in the middle of the night), and two of the cats (the two big ones, great for me)

Then last weekend I find she wants me to pay the phone bill. Not fair deal. In fact, utter bullshit.

Okay, the money isn’t really the issue. It’s not. The issue is the fact that she expects me to store her stuff when I’m not getting anything out of it. The first person to say ‘but she’s family!’ gets hit with a dead fish. She’s a mooch. She thinks the world should revolve around her. She’s completely self-centered. And she’s pushed me around, manipulated me, and handed me her rejects and acted like she’s doing me a favor my entire life. She thinks she’s so independent and can’t stand relying on anyone, but has no problem using me or my parents to buy her things she wants or pay her bills or do things she wants. And I’m fucking done with putting up with her shit. I’ve been putting up with her until I could get my BA and leave the fucking COUNTRY. Seriously - I was planning to go to Japan to teach English and one of the main reasons was that way she couldn’t ask for anything from me.

Now she expects to use me as free storage? No fucking way. Not fucking happening. I have already had Rick tell me I should just pack her shit up, haul it to a storage place, and present her with the bill. This was before the phone bill thing, so I didn’t want to do it. Now I’m really tempted.

I’ll admit I’ve grown A LOT in the past couple of years. And it probably wouldn’t have happened without her. But I’ve spent money on her, I’ve loaned her money, I’ve been her servant monkey, and I’m now done with it. I do not give a shit that she’s poor. She treats me like shit. No, scratch that - she treats me like I’m nothing. I’ve never been anything but considerate and giving and I’ve hardly gotten anything in return. Especially whenever she’s with someone. And she’s just gotten worse about it over time. So fuck that shit.

Huh?

At least make her take her cats.

I am not going to excuse her bad behavior. For her, the payoff has been to live off you and get away with doing very little.

Be thankful you have the maturity to know when you meet a mooch, family or not. I allowed my sister and her two children to move in with me and my boyfriend for four months. She did try to keep the house relatively clean, but she verbally and emotionally abused her children so much, my nerves couldn’t take any more. The last straw was when she turned on me and began to abuse me. I kicked her homeless ass out. Yep, they were homeless and lived in a transitional house for about a year.

Here’s the thing: today she has completed her first two years of college, not to mention she has gone on to secure stable housing for herself and the kids.

There is nothing that said I had to be used and abused, and you don’t have to, either.

Have you talked to her about all this? She doesn’t sound like a monster, just an average, inconsiderate, immature young person.

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Okay, so she’s a slob, and inconsiderate. But I’m confused. It seems like a car note and “almost all” your credit card debt would be a big chunk of change. And why, if she’s not living there, would she pay your phone bill?

I know you want to avoid the “family” thing, and I totally know what you mean. But why should she continue to pay the phone bill? If there’s no contract, she’s free to back out at any time. Her continuing to pay the bill would seem like a favor to you - as “family”.

It clearly appears that she has taken advantage of you for a while. I see nothing wrong with just giving her a week or so to make arrangements for her stuff (including the cats - really, WTF?) then dumping it on the lawn if she doesn’t comply.

Then, you wash your hands of her, and never deal with her crap again. But it seems like it may be more even than you think.

She doesn’t see herself as inconsiderate. In fact, she thinks she’s a really considerate and giving person. And she can be, occasionally, but not on a regular basis. She’s not that young - she’s three years OLDER than me (that makes her 29) and was supporting herself financially when she was 16. I was supposed to be talking to her tonight but she can’t make it (the kid she babysits is sick and she doesn’t want to get me sick). I’ll be sending her a letter - I’m asking for advice in a IMHO thread.

I’ve tried talking to her. My parents have tried talking to her. It doesn’t do any good. She does what she wants and expects the world, and especially her family, to accommodate her.

sigh The problem, AuntiePam is I can’t make her do anything. She’s taken two of the cats, which is saving me a lot on cat litter, cat food, and cleaning.

My sister is smart. She doesn’t have a degree - she’s supposed to get school paid for with her settlement, but had to drop out of her first semester because she was sick and missed the first month. Besides that she always misses classes because she’s in bed (in the middle of the day, from that whole ‘no regular sleep schedule’ thing)

It was. On the other hand, I supported her for about two years before that, including the rent, often groceries and other things she needed, and loaning her money.

Because I have practically all her stuff.

sigh Unfortunately we don’t have a lawn. And she has a metal desk and a metal credenza from the 50s (or something) that I can’t get out of the apartment and down the stairs with out a couple of burly guys to do the lifting. But it’s definitely coming to that (thus the IMHO thread, which I should actually link to).

Okay linky to other non-ranty need-advice thread

(sorry about the double-post. Ran out of edit time)

I’m feeling the anger and the outrage, but I can’t really get behind it. Yes, your sister was lazy, but she seems to at least have made a token effort, even if in the end she was a slob and annoyed the hell out of you. But then (and this is big), she paid off your car and your school loans. You can fight the distinction all you want, but that does make her a very generous and giving person.

So? Is her stuff getting in the way of all this new stuff you plan to buy? If it’s not, just be nice to your sister and keep reminding her to come get her crap, because after all, she paid off your car and your school loans.

I completely understand where you are coming from, STG. I have posted here a few times about my horrid situation with my roommate before she moved out (with her gone it is like heaven…my rent has doubled but there is no price on a good night’s sleep and not hating coming home from work at night) and when she left she left many, many boxes of her crap for me to throw out. Then she cut off communication with me so I can’t get an address to mail her glasses, retainer, and iPod charger to her so that is all going in the trash, though I am keeping the bluetooth for my own use.

My advice to you ignore her stuff until you can get her off the lease. At that time when she no longer has any claim to your apartment build a paper trail of emails, letters, phone messages, etc. showing that you have asked her to come get her things for at least 30 days. If in that time she hasn’t gotten her things out of your place sell it all on Craigslist. Wait for that until she is no longer on your lease though. You never know, she is moving in with a man and his wife and that may turn around and bite her in the ass, at which point she would be legally able to come move back in with you because her name is on the lease and the apartment is partially hers. I understand not wanting to feel like she is walking all over you anymore and her stuff is just a symbol of the abuse you have put up with for the last several years, but use whatever you can and just start counting down the days until she is legally out of your hair and you can throw her shit out.

She paid off her school loans?

It was a bad decision from the get-go. Your sister sounds lazy, immature, and self-centered. I don’t understand the meaning of the sentence “she does what she wants”- don’t we all? Are we to do what other people want? Anyway, I don’t agree with you that you should cut her out of your life. She disappointed you, as people will from time to time, and you have every right to be angry for a while and to not trust her for a while, but come on. This is a very small part of your lives. You both could still have 50 or 60 years to live- are you really going to stop talking to your sister because of one bad decision with entirely forseeable consequences? That’s harsh.

I think there’s something more going on here because this part really isn’t that hard. You just rent a storage locker, put her stuff in it, and tell her she has a month to get it or it gets confiscated by the storage locker place. I’ve done that before and it was no muss, no fuss.

But you seem to be bringing all these past issues into the whole thing of where to put her stuff that it seems like there’s quite a bit more baggage than just the ones left to pack of actual stuff.

How much was your car loan and nearly all your credit card debt, compared to how much groceries, rent, etc.?

… The first thing I thought upon reading this was: Hi, are we related?

I’m in a very similar situation with my sister (and her husband) and it’s really really really shitty. I’m moving next week, though. I sympathize, greatly. I pay a good chunk of the bills and expenses and they treat me like I’m living with them for free, while her husband has no job and keeps making excuses why he can’t get one.

I’ve put up with it for years because of the ‘she’s family!’ reason, but I’m getting out of there before I end up going postal one day. It sucks that ‘because they’re family!’ is some catch-all reason for someone to be expected to put up with ridiculous bullshit.

I can’t do much in the way of advice, but if you ever want some one-on-one bitching time, feel free to hit me up.

My apologies, I misread “credit card” as “school”

Paying your own phone bill seems a small price to pay for complete freedom from this person. But I would take the opportunity to close that door so she can never move back in. I’d do the storage locker thing, pay the first month rent, give her the key. Change the locks. And you’re free of her and her stuff, in one fell swoop. Definitely worth the expense. Do it. Do it now.

::sigh::

I wish I had a sister.

Or a brother.

Or parents again.

::sigh::

Yeah, it was a bad decision, but at the time I probably wouldn’t have moved out of my parents’ place otherwise and she would’ve been homeless otherwise.

She does what she wants without taking anyone else into consideration. She expects stores to be open all night for her and then bitches because she can’t go do laundry in the middle of the night or go buy whatever the hell she wants because she didn’t get up in time. She buys things when she has no money - and I’m not talking about food or other essentials. I’m talking about buying new rubber ducks for her collection or scrapbooking supplies or other frivolous things. Then she has to borrow money to pay bills. Most of us realize the world doesn’t revolve around us.

I’m kind of hoping if I can get her out of my day to day life I could stop disliking her so much.

Well… it’s part laziness on my part, part not wanting to start a big ol’ fight with her (although I’m mostly resigned to that now), and part of not wanting to do the work for her.

I had about $4000 on my car and, I believe, about $3000 on my credit card, versus the $1200 a month rent for two years, plus cat food, cat litter, and other supplies I paid for. I also got some other money from her because I claimed her as a dependent on my taxes (since she was).

Thread closed at request of OP.

Whoops, sorry. The OP requested the IMHO thread be closed, not this one. Now that I’m modding both the Pit and IMHO, I sometimes mix up the reported posts. Reading is hard.