I'm going to undertake a six-month occult ritual - ask me anything

:musical_notes: Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do! We do! :musical_note:

i hope you find enlightenment.

Personally, I think the magic square that has the made-up word AREPO in it is pretty lame. Real words only!

No snark but it seems like you’re continuing to post elsewhere

How does that relate to your earlier post?

Unless Smapti is a member of one of the aforementioned tribes (unlikely since they are all extinct, if they were ever historical), and since Smapti isn’t a Jewish person who is worshipping a foreign God, what part of the quoted text is the problem?

OP said he was going to start this after Easter, so he’s got to get it out of his system while he still can.

Saving on eggs, then, is just a happy side benefit :wink:

The day after Easter is when I start.

Definitely gonna be eating a lot more eggs since I have to give up meat. Fortunately they’ve gone down a little bit.

Oh yeah. Sorry

Nitpick: The Tanakh is the entirety of the Hebrew Scriptures, and it contains the Torah.
Tanakh is an acronym, which stands for:

Torah”- the first five books of the Bible, also called the Five books of Moses

Nevi’im”- the Prophets

Ketuvim”- the Writings.

More detail at Wikipedia and elsewhere.

Originally, Kabbalah was a Jewish thing. The basic tenets were- The God of Abraham is real. No other gods are real. Hebrew is a sacred language. These are the secret magics contained in the Hebrew dictated by The Lord.

Later, Christians wanted in. They changed the basic tenets.

Later, other groups wanted in and changed a whole bunch of stuff- so much that they appear to have missed the point entirely.

To perform a Jewish ritual from the Kaballah while worshipping any god other than the God of Abraham seems also to be missing the point.

Hey, I didn’t write the book.

I agree that God as described in the Jewish tradition (and "God of the Old Testemant as Crowmanyclouds puts it is a misnomer anyways, a lot of what Jews believe about Him doesn’t come directly from the pages of the written Torah, but from the oral traditions and Talmud, etc) might not like it if non Jewish people are doing Kabbalistic rituals.

But there’s absolutely nothing to support any of that in the particular bit of text that Crowmanyclouds quoted.

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You might look into the Da’at Yichud. They’ve got the ancient, secret Jewish mystical order thing going, but their beliefs are based on pure reason and they do not require beliefs in Judaism. They also create a bunch of cool stuff useful for fighting Nazis.

When I was first just thinking about doing this and I was seeking advice in occult communities online, one thing which stuck in my head that a number of people said is that there’s no such thing as “authenticity” when it comes to ritual magic. The Abramelin is an English copy of a French copy of a German copy of a Hebrew copy of a text that we don’t even know how old it was, we don’t even have the Hebrew copy to compare the modern editions to, and it’s entirely possible that its purported author wasn’t even a real person and that some 17th century Christian forger slapped together some miscellaneous volumes of Kabbalah that he found and attached a framing tale to it so he could sell a manuscript to some wealthy client of his. The 1896 translation by Mathers, which specifies the six-month timeline I’m working from and which most modern occultists from Crowley onward have followed, is from that French copy, but more recently the older German manuscript was translated - and lo and behold, that version says it’s actually supposed to be eighteen months instead of six. So from that perspective, every single person in the English-speaking world who did the Abramelin for 100 years or more was doing it wrong - and yet, it still worked in that it those people who completed it have said it was a positive experience and they came out it with a greater self-gnosis and feeling more confident in their metaphysical selves. The conclusion I come to from that is that it isn’t so much the form of the ritual that matters as the practitioner’s state of mind - you can follow every word of the book to the letter, but if you don’t believe it’s going to help you, it won’t help you.

A similar example is a much shorter ritual I’ve done a few times called “the Headless Rite” or “the Bornless Rite”. It comes from a body of texts called the Greek Magical Papyri - a collection of folk magic from Greco-Roman Egypt which are an odd mishmash of Greek, Egyptian, and Judeo-Christian ideas. This particular ritual is an exorcism which calls on a deity called “Akephalos” or “Osorronophris” which is attested to solely in that one document, and is believed to be associated with Osiris or Set, but the act of summoning it includes declaring yourself a servant of Moses and chanting various Biblical names including Yahweh, Adonai, Sabaoth, and Isaac, along with Gaia and Diana. Another spell from the same collection calls on “Jesus, the god of the Hebrews”. You can just imagine a Jewish priest, a Greek hierophant, and all twelve apostles simultaneously rolling their eyes just thinking about the concept.

Flash forward 2000 years and Aleister Crowley got his hands on it and turned it into a divination ritual addressed to a deity he called Aiwass, which is the form many modern occultists use it in today. When I used it, it was in an attempt to divine the name of my Holy Guardian Angel, and whether or not I was actually calling on some external force or just waking up something that only exists in my head, I felt a presence when performing it and I got a result that makes sense to me.

This isn’t by any means a scientific process, but it goes to show that one is working in a realm which is beyond our ability to objectively study until the day we figure out how to read minds and figure out exactly what’s happening in someone’s brain when they do this stuff.

The top search results I’m getting for that are all Wolfenstein-related.

You can be the founding member in this branch of the multiverse, then!

(Sorry, I’m just poking gentle fun. I do wish you well. But it is a very strange undertaking.)

Did they ‘summon the Devil and his minions, engage in spiritual warfare with them, and force them to submit to the summoner and carry out the summoner’s will’ ya know, the thing the Abramelin Operation claims is the success condition?

That’s part of the process. I’m in no posititon to accuse anyone who says they’ve done it of lying about it.

That’s a more elegant way of saying what I meant. I knew about the names for the three parts of the Tanakh, but I didn’t know the name itself was an abbreviation.