Good Christ, Gobear not even the most liberal of liberals think that. They’re not blind, even they know that we’re all too busy trying out to become one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. I wanna be famine, which one do you want to be?
So, let me get this straight: You don’t want a hundred million dollars to dispense to the charitable causes of your choice? Well, OK.
Nope elfkin we don’t believe in God so we certainly don’t believe in the Apocalypse.
We think that you’re all hoarding guns, water, and Surf and Turf, in your bomb shelter/SUV, made out of old growth sequoia trees with furniture made of spotted owls and baby seals and found in your gated communities
We think that you are you’re doing this so you’ll be safe when you start a war in the third world so that your Defense Contracting company (with no women or black executives, of course) can make a couple of more bucks, so that you can retire (to the Virgin Islands, so that you won’t have to pay US taxes) at 35 on your stock options (which your company didn’t claim as an expense). After the war you will ban abortions and pray all day.
THAT IS WHY CONSERVATIVES ARE EVIL!
Elfkin, I must be reading the wrong Republican Leader E-mail. Mine doesn’t say anything about the four mounties-o-doom, but it says I may choose my next badge from Gluttony, Greed, or Lust. I’m thinking Lust, as the requirements look quite fun!
Note that it does not mean requited or successful Lust.
Just Lust.
And yet, you guys ended up with pretty good tank, maybe the second-best tank in the world. Perhaps we can infer something from this.
(Am I the only moderate here? The only one who believes that a democracy needs conservatives, liberals and radicals? That the strength of a healthy nation derives not from the predominance of any one philosophy, but rather the conflict between several?
Or should I just stay the hell out of this thread?)
Ah, maybe the latter. I was not doing anything except trying to answer Ace’s question. I actually agree with what you said if you read the thread.
Maybe I should do that.
Read the thread, I mean.
I’m not trying to be smartassed either. Your time might be better spent elsewhere, unless you like Jerry Springer. This thread has gone up and down, mostly down. Carry on.
Ha, **Beagle. **
“Fuldap Guns” is this one of your references … to something else? 
Don Martin?
You will not find it on any map. It is a stragegic plain that runs through Germany. If you study Cold War history, the Fulda Gap strategy was basically a tank rush Command and Conquer style through western Europe. The Soviets were kind enough to not test it out except in mock exercises and wargames.
Them’s fightin’ words. Uh, tank fightin’ words. I assume you mean the German Leopard. Don’t tell me you believe that Israeli Merkova propaganda. Some of them have been knoked out w/ RPGs. That’s why they added the chains on the back of the turret. I guess the Merkova III is better.
Do a search using M1 Abrams as search terms. The guys in the Abrams love it. I mean unabashedly love it. There is one story on the net where an Abrams stuck and unable to move takes three sabot hits from T-72s (old, I know) and is barely dinged. The Abrams takes out all three. Not bad. That is like the old Tiger vs. Stuart type of an advantage. Of course, the U.S. was on the wrong end of that one.
Awwww, thats so cute! Simply adorable!
I hope your children inherit your intelligence and irony. No, no, don’t thank me. Least I could do.
Well, can I peer into your soul or not?
So…you don’t want to become a young Republican, then? Damn, I was hoping to find someone to carpool with.
RPGs? RPGs!? Your MOMMA was knocked out by RPGs!!
(This is the pit, isn’t it?)
Maybe, just maybe, an early model Merkava was penetrated by an RPG in 1982 Lebanon, at short range, with alucky shot, at a bad angle - and I’ll need a cite from that, thankyouverymuch, and I’d like to see a Abrams survive a similar shot. Since then, the only thing that ever punched through a Merk (and not the most modern one) was a Sagger, in the Early eighties, after 9 others hit the stationary tank without a scratch. And yes, Merks have faced T-72s (Lebanon againg, 1982), without taking even a mobility kill. That’s what the chains are for - ATGMs, which can knock out ant tank from the top or rear arc.
Remember, the Merkava has modular armor, and is constantly being upgraded with new technologies. Israeli tanks are works in progress, adapting - Borg-like - to stop any new threat, and to keep up with new gadgets. The Merkava Mark 1s and 2s around today are far better than they were in the eighties, the Mark 3 is the same generation as M1A2s and is considered by many to be the better tank. True, since there’s no way to know objectively which is better, most of the people claiming this are Israelis, but I’m taking their word for it. You can believe your own troops if you like.
The thing is, all the latest model tanks - Abram, Merkava, Leopard, LaClerk, etc - are equally terrific, and differences between them depend a lot on doctrine, theater of operation, and personal preferences; I can assure you that Merkava crewman like their tank as much as your Abrams buddies.
I’d say that their respective technologies are so close that the latest model of any of them is the best. Therefore, I present the
Merkava Mark 4
[sub]That was a bit of a hijack, wasn’t it? Sorry.[/sub]
tips hat OK, maybe the Merk"a"va is better than I thought. If I can’t spell it I should not dis’ it. I agree completely with this:
The tank tests I read agreed heartily with this conclusion. The Leopard barely edged lots of close competition.
The Sagger shots may be what I was thinking of. I did an internet quest on the Merkava some months ago.
Again, good job.
I’m not sure if that was a hijack or a mutation.
What about building a better mousetrap?
Sliced bread? Selling ice to Eskimos?