I’m sure thre are conservatives who aren’t mean spirited, I’ve never met any of them. The conservatives I have personal experience with, while they are nowhere near as bad as Ann Coulter, are the type that Barry Goldwater (a decent human being, despite being a conservative) railed against in his later years.
The existence of conservative ideology is too important to allow it to be represented only by vicious, hateful people. Look at the scare tactics Gore used in the last election, it is shameful that he could try to scare us with the spectre of the Christian Coalition.
Oh, I wish I could care whether you believe me or not, but I don’t, because I happen to know that it’s true. (See, that’s where a lot of people of all political persuasions go wrong; reality exists independently of what you believe about it.)
Do a search for an old Great Debates thread that was titled, “Why Are Conservatives So Evil?” or somesuch. I believe it was started by Stoid, and I believe that if you ask her, she will tell you that, not only are conservatives themselves evil, conservatism is evil by its nature.
Search for anything in GD by rjung, as well. Or ElvisL1ves. Don’t believe me, believe their own words.
Who is more destructive to this country: The Christian Right, or NOW?
You are naive if you don’t know the answer to this one.
Hint:
I dunno, **gobear/b]. I think you’re using a pretty boad brush to paint with there.
I have always been labeled a liberal because of SOME of my opinions. I think I’m pretty conservative for a so-called liberal. I think a great many social problems could be alleviated considerably with education, and someone’s going to have to foot the bill for that. I think our tax dollars could be better-applied toward that end. I think there’s a little bit too much government involvement in many aspects of our society, and a great deal too little in others. I think the First Amendment is horribly abused - and I think the Second Amendment is, too.
Cracking wise along the lines of, "If only we could get social conditions right – eliminate poverty, teach anger management, restore the ozone, arrest John Ashcroft – everyone would be holding hands smiley-faced, rocking back and forth to “We Shall Overcome” is not productive to the conservative side of the argument. You only have to read it once to catch the smarmy, condescending tone. A statement like that MAKES conservatives look hard-hearted and mean.
If you’re going to make a generalized statement like that, you should certainly expect rebuttal - a generalized statement BEGS for it.
Got cut off before I could give you a hint.
drumroll
35 million, sucked down a sink for the past 30 years.
Duh.
Wow. Generalize much, gobear? I am most definitely a “liberal” in my political leanings and I happen to agree with absolutely none of the crap espoused in that gibberish above. Let me ask you a question. What would you say if I started a sentence with, “Gay men tend to be (fill in the blank) and they believe (fill in the blank)…” ? Can you imagine any condition, opinion or practice that all gay men either are or believe??
And then, bio-brat, there is stuff like this.
pldennison is correct, and I remember much of the hateful filth spewed by those individuals quite well. Do the Searches.
Hell, I MARRIED a dyed-in-the-wool conservative. And he’s the nicest guy I ever knew. He tolerates his wife’s comparatively radical viewpoints quite admirably, and vice-versa.
There is no “debate” here - this entire thread is just argument for the sake of argument, and no one’s gonna learn anything new.
Well gee, WV_Woman, I don’t think too many people on this Board would honestly call me “naive”, but you’re just going to have to enlighten little ol’ me and tell me what you’re saying here.
What is it that you are saying here, exactly?
Cite? Smells like an UL. (Many have said something like that; I’m just not sure that Churchill is the original author).
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5952/unquote.html
Personally, I think lefties are smarter than righties, at least in the US. One manifestation might be the 2 sides propensity to sort through empirical complexity as opposed to rushing to a predictable and often tribal judgement. But that’s my WAG & HO. YMMV.
Ethically, I suspect that righties weigh the welfare of the underdog less than lefties. I sometimes wonder whether lefties are more utilitarian while righties are more concerned with hewing to certain standards of behavior.
Along with your brain, apparently.
:rolleyes:
Fuck the fuck off.
Oh, by the way, “liberalism” is defined differently in the UK and the US; it is highly unlikely that Churchill would have set it opposed to conservatism. (Alt Hist: Possible alternative: Socialist; More probable alternative: Marxist)
Guin your problems are over. (Or this one is anyway). If somebody implies that your liberal ideas are impractical, just point to Europe in general and Sweden in particular. If they mumble about high unemployment the proper response is, “Not in Sweden”.
In general, US liberal policy prescriptions are demonstrably workable: we need only point to the experiences abroad.
Surely you’ve read the first part of the editorial which “neatly epitomizes” your position gobear. You know, the part that goes like this:
As for this piece of unadulterated bullshit
What the fuck hole are you living in? I don’t assume that all Conservative are Ann Coulter, why would you assume all Liberals are Susan Sontag? Moreover, I don’t assume that all Conservative that post here are december any more than all Liberals are Stoid.
pldennison I stand corrected. You are right. I forgot about that thread. In general I try to avoid all such idiocy, as I can’t see it being a constructive discussion in any way shape or form. Perhaps I should have stated that I don’t know any liberals IRL who would refer to Conservatives as evil. On this board, there seems to be several in the extreme.
WV_Woman what the fuck are you talking about? If you honestly believe that the Christian Right is less destructive than NOW, I would like to come visit your cave. What color is the sky in your world? Is it pretty there?
This reminds me of something I said once: If one lives in a cave, they can paint the sky whatever colour they wish. 
It’s amazing how both liberals and conservatives paint the other side as stupid/evil/whatever, while turning a blind eye to the exact same behavior on their own side. Michael Moore and Ann Coulter are perfect examples.
I’m thinking that the political climate in the US may never shift away from the name-calling, Mets-vs-Yankees childishness. Maybe if we drop the obsolete liberal -> conservative “x-axis” in favor of the authoritarian -> libertarian “y-axis”. Liberals and neo-cons just might realize that they’re in the same leaking boat.
Liberals…want to spend money on people.
Conservatives…Want to spend monedy on people too. But pass it through business hands first. The people get what’s left.
flowbark,
You’re correct, Churchill never said that.
flowbark,
You’re correct, Churchill never said that.
Emphasis added.
The preceding passage on evil was written by Susan Sontag.
She is talking about abortion.