Frank, I hereby refer you to Dripping’s reply #57, in which he says:
He has also accused me of committing disability fraud, though I can’t be arsed to look up the exact reply.
These are serious, potentially libelous charges which I am willing to let slide, but if you (a former mod, no less) are accusing ME of being out of line, then I have no problem taking it to the next level. Unless some accomodation can be reached, I will be talking to my lawyer this week about “Dripping”'s actions, and press charges, if necessary. This is no joke, Frank.
cc: Frank (PM), mods Lynn Bodoni, Gfactor & admin TubaDiva.
KGS, I regret trivializing what you’re going through by pointing out how your thread title was evocative of a Suicidal Tendancies track from 25 years ago. That struck me as funny, initially, but it isn’t – not at all.
It’s with the best will and intention that I suggest you should not trust your percept system at all.
I’ll take a crack at this one. If one of the more legally inclined dopers want to jump in and correct me, feel free. It’s certainly not my field.
My first guess would be that involuntarily committing someone to a psychiatric hospital is, in fact, a legal procedure and not a medical one. 302ing (or 5150? whatever the local legal procedure is) someone is a process that goes in front of a court. I would expect that the police have access to this information. Even a voluntary commitment carries a fair amount of legal paperwork, I believe. I don’t really know how HIPAA applies to police making inquiries though. If anyone knows, I’d be fascinated to hear the answer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the police have some kind of special legal status, but I honestly don’t know.
My other guess is that it’s harder for a mentally ill person to trick the police than you would think. Someone in an outright psychotic episode is just probably going to ring some alarm bells. Also, there isn’t really a reason for the police to access someone’s medical records. All they really need to know is does this person have a history of mental illness? They don’t need to know medication regimes or the contents of private counseling sessions. It might be better if they don’t to stay impartial anyway. I would hope they investigate the situation either way - maybe the person is crazy and maybe Uncle Joe really is a criminal. Just because someone has a history of mental illness doesn’t mean they are automatically incorrect.
And for the record, Dripping, I don’t think you’ve seemed sock-like or troll-like thus far. I think you’ve raised a very interesting question. I have no idea why KGS has fixated on you like this.
Medical records are confidential, but that is not absolute. You can read about that here. In a nutshell there is public interest disclosure: “the public interest in maintaining confidence must be weighted against the competing public interest in protecting others from crime.” If the family supplied the name of the malicious accuser’s psychiatrist, it is quite probable that the shrink could simply say: “Yes, he is my patient. I can not divulge any medical information due to doctor-patient confidentiality.” Which would probably suffice. In cases where the mentally ill accuser has a history of involuntary committal, there may also be a court order that is not protected as a medical document, but I don’t know for sure. I would guess if a judge signed the order it’s not a medical record.
My mother has worked for Children’s Aid and in a clinic that had several treatment programs for both mental illness and drug abuse, and a family law clinic. Between vindictive ex-spouses, very angry children, and mental health patients, malicious false accusations were not terribly unusual. Investigators can usually sort it out pretty quickly without arresting innocent parties. For example, if a cop interviewed you and then interviewed KGS, which one of you would appear more rational and credible?
Depends on the state. In Florida, we have the Mental Health Act, commonly referred to as the Baker Act, under which a law enforcement or medical professional can recommend involuntary psychiatric evaluation if they believe the patient presents a clear risk to himself or others. Most often it’s invoked in the case of suicide ideations.
A psychatrist then examines the patient, and on his recommendation the patient can be involuntarily committed for up to 72 hours without a warrant or other court involvement.
I don’t know where “Porn Capital USA” is, though I’m guessing in California, where they have the 5150, or Lantris-something-something Act, which is similar, but requires a judge’s approval for a 72-hour hold, AIUI.
Good luck with that “pressing charges” thing. Defamation is a tort, not a crime.
I hope you get better help soon.
ETA: I was wrong- the Baker Act does require judicial approval, which is generally granted on the recommendation of the examining psychiatrist.
C’mon, Frank. Any reasonable person could see that I was merely yanking his chain, just like he was yanking mine.
He drew first blood, however. And I was willing to “ignore” him until YOU came along and stirred up the pot. As an ex-moderator, you should know better than that.
Whatever. I’m already in contact with TubaDiva and I’ve agreed to rescind the “legal threats”, because I’m confident we can resolve our little situation in a responsible manner.
OMFG…you really took me seriously didn’t you??? Poor you. Okay…you’re not a pedophile, and I never meant to seriously imply you are one. But you are definitely a moron, merely for taking my words seriously.
How does it feel, Dripping, to have someone burrow under your skin from a distance? Did you enjoy your brush with Nathaniel?
Seriously, I can keep this up all week long if I have to. I know how to dance that fine line.
It was his comments about my nephew that set me off. Call me out on disability fraud if you like (and that’s why I believe “Dripping” is a sock, because I hadn’t mentioned disability at all in this thread and his words were identical to someone else in a previous Pit Thread, I just haven’t looked back to see who exactly it was) – I’ve been examined by at least two doctors who have signed off on my forms and if that isn’t proof positive that I’m legitimately disabled, I don’t know what is.
But don’t you DARE question my motivations towards younger members of my family, motherfucker. Don’t. Even. Go. There.
And I’m baffled as to why nobody else called out that jerk. Is it because of my “crazy” label? Is that all you see? I assure you, I am human, just like you. I have feelings and emotions, just like you. And if you prick me, I’ll bleed…just like you.
This is purely anecdotal, but, when one of my adult cousins accused her father and his friends of running a white slavery/molestation ring on their farm when she was a child, it was pretty obvious to the Mounties from the get go that she was delusional. It might have been the fact that one of her ‘memories’ of being punished involved being buried alive in the town cemetery that tipped them off, but whatever it was, she couldn’t hide ‘the crazy’.
Nonetheless, they investigated to the best of their ability. They questioned a lot of people and quickly confirmed that my cousin had severe mental illnesses. Given that anyone who had ever spent any time with her quickly knew she was really, really ill, I suspect that there was enough testimony without actually needing to talk to her doctors or see her medical records. I have no idea if they did, mind you - just that they probably didn’t really need to.
So, I can definitely confirm both that a delusional person’s behaviour is going to trigger alarm bells and that the officers investigate regardless. The Mounties treated her with a great deal of dignity and respect, in fact.
(For the record, once she was back on her medication, she recanted.)
Whoever it was managed to Back-Orifice my computer and hijack my Firefox browser, which led me to download a “corrupted” version of McAfee’s AntiVirus, which I downloaded via AT&T’s website (I’m a customer, so the software was free.) I clicked on Network Manager, which said I was “connected to a network which is not trusted, do you trust this network?” and like a fool, I clicked yes. Suddenly, my system was SLAMMED with activity coming from someplace else – I shut down quickly, but not before he planted at least three viruses in my system.
Later that day, I managed to uninstall McAfee’s (with the help of tech support) and install AVG instead. Shortly after that, there was a direct attack on svchost.com. I got a little panicked when AVG wasn’t working properly, and even Windows Update had some mysteriously suspicious files on it (like I said, I’m convinced my Firefox browser was hijacked and redirected me to illegitimate websites. It was a very sophisticated, personal attack.)
The good news is, I’m currently in contact with someone who can help me, and there have been no attacks since last week, although I’m still running across software and drivers that have been corrupted. But I didn’t lose anything valuable…thank GOD.
