Anyone who believes this is incredibly stupid.
I agree with LonesomePolecat inasmuch as robocalls of any type should be banned and anyone using them should be deported. (maybe LPC didn’t go* that* far…)
I am a centrist democrat. This practice, if true, is despicable. But I have to ask…has there been any news source that has a report of this that doesn’t come from the campaign? Because the link in OP doesn’t say ‘it happened’. It says ‘they say they are being told it happened’.
How else could you do it? Is there likely to be an opportunity for an unbiased observer to witness such a thing first hand?
Typo Negative, you seem to be conflating robocalls in general, which admittedly can be annoying, with intentionally misleading calls (not even necessarily automated) that are intended to suppress turnout.
Its a no-lose proposition. Even if they get busted for it, they lawyer up, pay a fine, and life goes on. The damage will have been done. Even if you could, by some magic, conclusively prove that the election was swayed by such efforts, all you will get for it is “Well, darn shame about that, but the people have spoken, we win, you lose, neener neener.”
And realistically, the chance of getting caught approaches zero, as long as they covered their trail enough. There is little appetite for going after these fraudsters.
Also, another great technique is to place these kind of robocalls, cover your tracks, and then blame your opponent for trying to smear you. Win win win. We can see the “blame the other guy” technique being used on these very boards.
This is fucking rich after several posters went wild on mister nyx for trying to ask the same question towards an apparantly pro-recall mailing.
Okay. Some people on here asked for a phone number for these calls. My post #60 gives a number and links it to Walker and the Republican Party.
You asked for it. There it is. You skeptics all seem to be ignoring it.
No, it’s a very lose proposition. Think about it. Telling people that they don’t need to do something is going to have the exact opposite outcome. Don’t think of a pink elephant.
See my point?
Actually, I am not.
But I will ask again…Is there anything about this in any news source that doesn’t come directly from the Barrett campaign?
[sub]Please do not take this question to mean that I believe this is ever an acceptable practice. I do not.* Anyone* involved in it, IMHO, should do hard time. [/sub]
No, it doesn’t. Not for these calls, as you yourself admitted, in that same post #60. Apart from the fact that in the same links people say that the calls from the number were from Kathleen Falk.
No. Is it behind the elephant?
C’mon man. Facts is hard.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. He’s already full of KoolAid.
It’s not a news source, but see my post #60. Also, and this is admittedly anecdotal, MSNBC is reporting it on air.
On these very boards? How about in this very thread?
I know you’re joking turnip, but I think my point still holds. The tactic of telling people that they don’t need to vote is counter productive regardless of the message. The only possible outcome is bringing out the vote of the opposition.
I’m afraid that as much as you’d like to think that’s how it works, sadly it does not. Voter suppression is a tried and true technique, and it works.
If blatant bullshit didn’t work, people wouldn’t bother sending spam email.
In other words, even if only 2% of the targets fall for the bullshit, that may well be enough to justify the effort.
Wow, that’s some spin. I think it’s making me dizzy.
What spin? I have had one singular point. One! And the point is that if you tell somebody not to do something, they are probably going to do it.
How is that fucking “spin”?
So if I tell you that it’s not necessary to vote and you believe me, that will make you more likely to vote?
Keep in mind that we’re discussing people who signed a petition, so they’re already politically engaged and don’t need a reminder, positive or negative, to get them out to the polls.