I'm tired of irresponsible people hitting me on the road!

I moved to Dallas nearly a year ago. Before that, I had only been in one minor collision when I was 17. In the past three or four months, I’ve been in two more minor collisions with people who shouldn’t be on the street anyway.

The first time was the night before I switched to evening shift about three months ago. They decided to switch me over in the middle of the week so I was trying to stay awake as long as I could that night. I was getting tired around 23:00 so I decided to drive Downtown and maybe walk around a little. It had just rained so the roads were slick.

I was driving down a major street through a hispanic area (lots of illegal immigrants) and saw some guy ahead who had spun out into the ditch in his truck. He managed to get out and was driving not far ahead of me when he spun out again into the median and then, staying on the throttle, went back into the street right in front of me. The guy was probably drunk but I didn’t think about that at the time. There was a car in the lane beside me so I couldn’t swerve; I just had to hit the brakes. It wasn’t enough. I hit him which bent up my hood, dented the corner of the fender, and busted the headlight.

Now keep in mind that I was tired and hadn’t been in any kind of collision since I was in high school. I was also completely startled by the event. It took me a minute to get it in my head that it really happened. That led to a series of mistakes. I had heard that if the damage is minor (under $500), you should just trade insurance information and go on. I started to call the cops, but I figured the damage was minor so I just traded insurance information. I know now I can get a brand new hood and headlight on eBay for $200 total, so I’d say the damage was indeed around $500 or less.

Unfortunately when I tried to find his insurance company online, it didn’t seem to exist. I called mine and they couldn’t find it in whatever registry they have either. I ended up getting fucked on that deal. I bought a new headlight assembly, bent the hood out myself, and chalked it up as a lesson learned.

Fast forward to last night: I was driving to an arts district here with a lot of music clubs to meet up with some people. Again, it had just rained and the roads were slick. I was in almost exactly the same spot as last time at about the same time of night and was actually thinking about the previous accident. I was about to turn left at an intersection. There are two left turn lanes that turn onto a three lane street. It has lines that show that the far left turning lane is supposed to go to the left lane and the other left turn lane can choose the center or right lane. That’s the lane I was in and I turned into the center lane because most people get in the right lane to hit the freeway onramp down the road. There was a guy to my left and he ended up trying to take the center lane too. Of course that meant going through me…

There was no disbelief this time. I was fucking pissed. I think I started cussing while his truck was still against my car. I quickly pushed the anger to the back of my head so I could handle the situation logically. Honestly, I think it helped being pissed off helped out because I was going to do whatever I could to ensure he was responsible and I wasn’t going to trust anything he said. Plus I think a lot more clearly when I’m pissed off than when I’m nervous and shocked.

So after he hit me, I pulled over to the left lane in front of him. He said we should pull over across the street into a parking lot and I agreed. Over there, I took a better look at my damage. The rear door was dented in pretty badly and there were smaller dents on the rear fender. He walked back and started playing it off as though the damage wasn’t much. He also asked me if I had been drinking for some reason. I suspect that he had. I told him I was calling the police and he said I shouldn’t do that, he would just give me his insurance card. I continued to unlock my phone and dialed 911. He was walking to his truck, waving for me to come to get his insurance card, but I just stood beside my car. Then he got in his truck and started driving off.

I was actually anticipating that he would do that and was already looking at his license plate. When he started driving off, I had just got the 911 dispatcher on the line and managed to yell it out before he got too far away. Unfortunately, she asked me to repeat it and I’m not sure I got the last three digits exactly right the second time. I hope the investigator can get a copy of the recording to confirm what I said the first time. At the very least, I hope with the first three digits and a description of the truck, they can narrow it down to someone in the area.

About ten minutes later, a policeman arrived and I gave him a description of what happened and what the truck and the man looked like. He spoke positively that I was able to get a license plate number as most people aren’t able to do that.

I’m not sure if the fucker was drunk, didn’t have insurance, or both, but he certainly shouldn’t have been on the roads. The only thing I really wish I’d done was take a picture of him and his truck before I called 911 but hopefully they still have enough to find him. And if it goes to court, I don’t have a problem showing up as a witness. I hope the mother fucker goes to jail for a little while and if he’s illegal, I hope he gets shipped back to where he came from. Of course that probably won’t happen but I can hope, right? If I remember correctly, hit-and-run is a felony so it won’t be a slap on the wrist.

I’m hoping I’ve just had really bad luck and this isn’t a normal thing here. I don’t care to go through this a couple of times a year.

He’ll deny your version and say you drifted into his lane, for sure.

Maybe if you moved quicker and didn’t leave a trail of residue everywhere you went it wouldn’t be a problem?

What does it matter what he says? He already committed a hit-and-run. I think his reliability is pretty much shot at this point, assuming they find the guy.

Some dealerships sell cars that come with certificate freeing the owner of both traffic laws and the laws of physics. I haven’t found the dealerships, but I think they must exist.

There’s no excuse for the guy driving off and I hope they nail his ass for that.

But… You are not blameless in either of these incidents. In the first one, you admit that you were tired and not thinking clearly. You saw the guy spin into the ditch, pull back onto the road and continue driving erratically, yet you proceeded ahead at speed with another car beside you? You should have slowed way down, given this clown a wide berth, and made sure you had at least two escape options. The other guy was technically at fault, sure, but there were lots of ways you could have avoided hitting him.

In the second case, again, even if by rule of law he should have turned into the left lane, you were making a turn with another car right alongside of you, and you just assumed that he’d go into the lane you expected? Chances are he assumed you were going to the right lane and the center lane was his. And you weren’t aware that he was drifting right until he actually hit you? Pay attention, man!!

Most of us see drivers doing stupid and/or illegal stuff every day, yet manage to avoid getting hit by them. Please learn how to drive defensively.

Sometimes, the best defense is a good offense.

bull fucking shit. he “expected” the other guy to stay in the lane he was legally required to.

Yes and he got in an accident when the guy didn’t do so. Not all accidents are avoidable with defensive driving, but many are. As my father often said “You can be right, dead and right or you can be safe” The next accident he doesn’t avoid could be more serious than some dinged up metal.

I’m not quite sure that the OP deserves much blame for the second accident. It sounds like the other car hit him on the back left, and there’s not much you can do about idiots behind you that just drive into your blind spot from behind. Even if the OP had seen the car hitting him (which was probably in the blind spot) braking wouldn’t have helped, and swerving to the right or accelerating might not have been an option.

So? Seriously, so bloody what? As demonstrated in the OP, and the morning news, and the evening news, and day-to-day reality, and etc. people do illegal shit all the time. When they are also piloting a half-ton of steel, it behooves you to assume nothing.

I’ll never forget the words of my driving instructor: “If you see someone turn their blinker on, it doesn’t mean they’re going to turn, or change lanes, or anything. It just means their blinker works.”

Sorry this happened to you, OP. I’ve posted this here before, but Mr. Horseshoe was T-boned not long ago, nearly breaking his ribs, by a big ol’ pickup. That ran a very stale red light. Driven by a guy whose license had been revoked. Who promptly asked Mr. Shoe to lie to the cops about the circumstances and say that his mom had been driving instead of him. Dallas drivers have an overall bad rep for a reason.

Well, it was clearly at least partially your husbands fault. I mean, assuming that someone should follow the rules of the road? Everyone knows people break laws. So the guy was supposed to stop at a red light. So? So bloody what? Your husband clearly should have practiced defensive driving. I mean, it’s not like we should expect people to follow the rules, is it? No, instead, we should get all passive agressive and snarky to the guy who was following the rules, and was the victim of an accident, while not saying anything about the fucking prick who’s fault the accident was.

Exactly. My dad used to say, “The cemetery is full of people who had the right of way.”

I once witnessed an accident in which a driver was accellerating toward a yellow light. It was clear he wasn’t going to make it before it turned red, but it was also clear he was not going to stop. Meanwhile, a driver on the cross-street hit the gas the instant his light turned green, with predicatable results. Fortunately, the impact was not as severe as it could have been.

The second driver clearly had the legal right of way, but he was nevertheless foolish and careless, and could have easily avoided the accident with a quick glance to his left before he started moving.

snailboy, I’m not saying you’re foolish and careless as a rule (how would I know?), and of course the other drivers were in the wrong, but from your descriptions I have to conclude that you could have been more careful in these instances.

OP, you fucked up in both accidents, in particular the first. You saw the first driver lose control of his vehicle TWICE, and you let him get anywhere near you?? That’s just inexcusable.

The second time, well, as was said upthread, you need to learn more about defensive driving. I try to drive as if my car is literally invisible – no one will brake for me, no one will get out of my way, no one will do anything different than they would if my car wasn’t there. It doesn’t always work for instance it wouldn’t stop someone from rear-ending me at a stop light, but I’ve only had one accident in 30 years of driving, and I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let some idiot ruin my day.

I kind of agree in the first case. I was really more used to people driving better and have never encountered someone quite so stupid. In the second case, there was really no way of predicting what was going to happen. Not all accidents can be avoided no matter how defensively you drive. Even you said you’ve been in one accident.

Yes, and I posted about it when it happened in 2006. I had almost nowhere to go. I was in a multi-lane road in a moving stream of cars in front, behind, and to my right. The jerk came from the left and essentially tried to create a space that wasn’t there. He must have expected my to brake and give him room, which I tried to do, but there wasn’t enough space or time.

When I think about it, it still rather pisses me off.

Welcome to Texas. :frowning: Because of the way people drive here, I try not to drive anywhere I absolutely DO NOT have to. Even then, I try to go the back ways where there is less traffic and less chance for me to have an accident.

Several years ago, when I was taking Slim to his preschool, I hadn’t even made it out of my neighborhood when a teenage kid with no license and no insurance driving his daddy’s car (dad DID have ins., it turned out) blew through a stop sign and hit my car so hard it turned in a complete circle and drove away, we thought for good. I was so freaked out, I couldn’t think straight and I was shaking so hard I had to have a passerby who’d stopped to check on us call Hubster and the police for me. Teenage kid DID come back…with his entire family–Mom, Dad, Gramma, sisters and an aunt…in tow. The family just sat there and STARED at us as the police took our statements. Dad, who wasn’t even there when it happened, tried to insist it was MY fault when I clearly had the right of way. It took our ins. company MONTHS to get any payment out of the other guy’s ins. because it was one of those rinkydinky little companies hardly anybody’s ever heard of. We thought we were going to have to go to court.

A few months later, as I was crossing the main street that runs through our small town to take Slim to a park that was across from his preschool, some numbnuts in a muscle car clipped my bumper and again, tried to claim it was my fault.

I’ve also been the victim of road rage. Some jackass didn’t like the way I was driving (it was raining and I was driving more carefully than usual, maybe too carefully for the jackass’s liking) so he followed me TO MY HOUSE so he could let me know what he thought of me. When I realized that he was following me, I started to freak out and when he parked behind me so I couldn’t back out of the driveway, I REALLY freaked out. I locked the doors, rolled up the windows and turned off the car. I was NOT about to get out. He waited and waited for me to exit the car but I was thinking, “He’s probably bigger than me. He might have a gun. I am NOT getting out.”
When I didn’t get out of the car, he proceeded to come up to my window and I rolled it down JUST enough (like not even a quarter inch) so I could speak to him. The guy started screaming at me that he didn’t like my driving, made some vague reference to my mother and told me I shouldn’t have a license if I’m going to drive like an old lady.

Those three incidents right there have served to take away what little confidence I had in my driving ability (it wasn’t much…I had a drill sgt for a driver’s ed teacher who made it a point to not only scream at me the entire time I was driving but to humiliate me as much as possible).

I too have been run off the road here, where I was in the right hand lane, which can turn right or go straight, but since the road curves in the intersection, the car in the middle lane thought they were supposed to move into the right hand lane. If the pole had been a few feet to the left, or if I had not been paying attention, trouble would have ensued.

Not to be all “well, here’s what you SHOULD have done,” if that ever happens again, don’t lead him to your house; drive to the nearest police station. Go ahead, buddy, try that shit in THIS parking lot.

Am I a bad person because my second thought was “Back into his car and call the police saying that he rear-ended you and is now threatening you”?
Don’t do that.

Naw, you’re not a bad person. Reckless, perhaps, but creatively so. :slight_smile: I’d imagine that if you don’t know where the closest police station is to your house (and you should…) then the closest fire station would do in a pinch. Still, that’s some world-class douchebaggery right there, and I’m sorry you had to encounter him.