Image Comics

Whatever happened to image comics? I stopped collecting about ten years ago, when image was just over a couple of years old. Is the company still going? I’ve seen other posts refferring to Rob Liefeld. What happened to him?

I bought a lot of the titles to start with and I thought quite a few of them showed potential, but were just too slow moving to keep me interested. Are the following still going? If not, what happened?

Cyberforce
Codename: Strykeforce
Wild C.A.T.S.
PITT
Savage Dragon

Are any of their creators still working on these books? Did they end up back at marvel or DC?

What happened in Spawn? There used to be a count down thing every time he used his power. Did it ever get to zero?

Image was pretty horrible when it started out, publishing very badly written rip offs of characters. Most of the stuff goes in the 25 or even 10 cent bins, or is the bulk of those 3, 4, 6 and hundred packs you might buy at the comic store. Rob Liefeld, IIRC got kicked out. I think he’s still a millionaire back from his days as one of the founders and writers of image. I don’t know about those other books, but Savage Dragon was pretty good and still is, from my reading of some of the recent TPBs they’ve published.

Image is shaping up much better know, with critically and fan acclaimed series such as Powers and Rising Stars. I hear people always saying that recent image is much better than anything they published in the first 5 or 7 years of busines.

While I do agree with Aslan about some of the newer books (the ones he mentioned), they are real standouts in a sea of mediocrity. I think when it started, Image was great because they broke so many rules and walls - especially in the technical aspects of comic-making.

I was a huge fan of WildC.A.T.s, personally.

[sub]Though it may have a lot to do with Jim Lee being one of the primary Gods in my pantheon.[/sub]

I remember when it came out, the comics were the best thing out there, mainly because all the good artists left Marvel and started their own stuff. Having collected mainly Marvel as well, I was rather pleased with the amount of violence and attitude many of the comics took. Unfortunately, many of them got really old really fast (WildC.A.T.S. Cyberforce, and Stormwatch to give examples).

Eventually, the company split due to “artistic differences”, and formed a bunch of smaller companies under the same tittle. Homage was Lee’s craft, which held stuff like WildC.A.T.S, Gen13, Wetworks, and Stormwatch; Top Cow was McFarlaine’s with Spawn, Savage Dragon, the Darkness, and Witchblade among others; don’t remember Liefeld’s set, but Youngblood, Bloodwulf, and Brigade were some of his; and then there seemed to just be another subset of just plain old “Image”. Liefeld eventually got booted because he’s a cock and no one liked him, and went off to create do his own line of “Awesome” Comics (which were really just knock offs of old Marvel and DC comics [The Fighting American was Cpt. America, only Bucky was a girl and a cyborg; Amazon was Wonder Woman; and there some other shitty ones, but the less spoken, the better]).

Eventually, many of the guys who started it moved to the background and stopped doing art for the comics (Lee and McFarlane, for example), but many of the comics got new writters and started to branch out and do some really good stuff (Stormwatch became very good, and then went into The Authority, which I thought was just fantastic; WildC.A.T.S. became Wildcats and got rather interesting as well). McFarlane’s branch is still doing really well, and Spawn currently has about five/six different tittles.

As for what happened to him, I don’t know too much, but I do know [SPOILER]He killed Mealbolgia and is now no longer restricted as far as his power goes, so there’s no need for a time clock anymore. I don’t know if he counts as a “Ruler of Hell” but apparently, he can travel back and forth pretty easily and do pretty much what he wants).

The only comic that seems to stay consistant is The Savage Dragon, which I loved since the beginning.

They’ve recently started a line of more “Mature” comics, which like Marvels, really don’t add much to anything. Most of them believe that super violence and vulgarity are great substitutes for good storytelling, so we’ll see how long those last. But they do still have some great work, some fantastic artists, and good storylines come out (Powers is one of the best; I highly recommend checking it out).

Thanks for all the info

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Image began as seven or eight popular Marvel artists who determined that comics were popular because of the artist, not the character and certainly not the writer or publisher. They struck off on their own, started a company, made a lot of mistakes, made a lot of money. They created a style that I found unbearably ugly, but young fans gobbled it up. Initially contemptuous of the writer’s contribution, they discovered early on that they needed to entice top-drawer writers to their books. Rejecting Marvel and DC, nearly all of them cut their own separate deals with one or the other. It was more of a learning experience than a company. It sure shook up the way Marvel and DC accustomed themselves to dealing with creative talent, though.

Every member developed his own side company (which retained the Image logo), and most of these drifted away from Image. Rob Liefeld got fired when he diverted a lot of Image money to his Awesome imprint. He and Jim Lee tried to repackage four Marvel titles, with mixed results; the deal was that Marvel would subcontract Avengers, Fantastic Four, Captain America and Iron Man out to Liefeld and Lee’s studios for one year (“Heroes Reborn!”). Liefeld’s titles were unspeakably ugly to look at and Marvel pulled the plug on his involvement after 5 or 6 months. After the year was up, Marvel quietly cobbled the four affected titles back to a semblance of their old selved (“Heroes Return!”) and tried to pretend that the whole thing never happened.

Liefeld also somehow managed to talk Alan Moore (THE most respected writer in comics) to write some of his Image books, but behind-the-scenes incompetence at Image resulted in even some of these titles being cancelled in mid-storyline. Liefeld is a despised pariah in the industry, but since he draws like a teenager off his medications, he has a very devoted following among some young fans.

Jim Lee’s Wildstorm imprint was sold to DC Comics in 1999. Respected titles like* Kurt Busiek’s Astro City, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen* and all the America’s Best Comics suddenly stopped carrying the Image logo. Alan Moore, who wrote all the America’s Best comics, had sworn ten years earlier that he’d never work for DC again and very nearly walked away from his contract with Wildstorm. Jim Lee talked him into staying, a superhuman feat that earned Lee a vice-presidency at DC Comics.

Joe Quesada had a company that might have been an Image imprint at one time, but he eventually dedicated all its resources to repackaging fringe Marvel titles under the Marvel Knights imprint. Today, he is the Editor in Chief of Marvel Comics.

Todd McFarlane got very rich very fast with SPAWN. He bought a hockey team, an island, and some famous sports memorabilia. He also designed a line of hyper-realistic action figures for a variety of film and comics properties. I don’t think he’s actually drawn an issue of *SPAWN *in nearly a decade. He was just sued recently for the ownership of the Miracleman character, and he apparently lost.

Erik Larsen kept his eyes on the prize. He’s been drawing Savage Dragon on a regular basis on his own terms as his own boss.

While the information above is generally correct, there are some inaccuracies. When Image started it was a place where creators could own their own work. Unfortunately, most of them had no experience writing, only drawing, and much of the early Image output, while often beautiful, was crap as far as storytelling or compelling characters went. Pretty pictures can maybe get someone to buy a handful of issues, but after that it gets boring, which is part of the reason Image faded in a couple years (although a general downturn in the market, which was partly caused by Image’s domination but mostly a result of behind-the-scenes battles over distribution was also a major factor). The Image folks also had a lot of problems with late books, partly due to inefficiency/laziness (self-motivation is hard for some folks), partly due to the lack of editorial/administrative support which they gave up when they left Marvel, partly due to perfectionism, etc.

El Elvis Rojo says that Image split into a handful of small companies. That’s incorrect, it was essentially always organized in this way, as an affiliation of partners who did their own work separate from anyone else, and some of whom owned their own studios which published work from other creators. However, in the beginning this wasn’t really publicized to the fan community (and the absence of a mature mainstream comics news source made it so the average fan on the street didn’t know as much about the medium as we do today). The fact of this loose affiliation was further obfuscated by the fact that in the beginning the Image characters shared the same “universe” just as Marvel or DC characters did, despite the fact that they were all owned by separate folks. Once Image started splitting up, this became impracticable.

Elvis is right that the partners eventually threw Liefeld out of the group. I think the unbiased history of that has yet to be written, but it probably had something to do with his chronic lateness. Some time later, Jim Lee took Wildstorm studios (home of WildC.A.T.S., Stormwatch, and Astro City) out of Image and eventually sold it to DC.

As it exists now, Image provides a place where people can create material, get it published, and keep the rights. It’s probably the biggest publisher that specializes in primarily creator-owned work and is typically more mainstream than other creator-ownership publishers like Oni or Avatar, but exactly what a given Image book is going to be like depends on its owners, not on Image itself.

As for the original Image books, Spawn is still published although McFarlane no longer works on it regularly, CyberForce, WildStar, Shadowhawk, and plenty of other books from that era are gone. Erik Larsen is still writing and drawing Savage Dragon, which recently passed issue #100. As for the books published by Wildstorm, as a result primarily of Warren Ellis’s revamp of Stormwatch (later becoming The Authority) and some efforts by Alan Moore, the Wildstorm Universe is a grittier, more noirish super-hero universe than any other. Several sophisticated books are being published by the imprint that have essentially nothing to do with the superteam slugfests of early WildC.A.T.S. or Stormwatch. These include Micah Wrights’s Stormwatch: Team Achilles (the newest version of UN strike team Stormwatch, made up of regular humans who kill rogue SPB’s), Joe Casey’s WildC.A.T.S. 3.0 (volume 3 of WildCATS which is about a super-team gone corporate), and Ed Brubaker’s Sleeper, about life in the super-powered urban espionage biz.

–Cliffy

Krokodil, while you might think that writing and drawing a comic book every day for ten years is keeping the eye on the prize, many rational people (including yours truly) would choose fabulous wealth. While I’m no fan of McFarlane because it appears that he’s not too careful about honoring his contracts (or at least some of them), he never promised us a rose garden.

The ownership of MiracleMan wasn’t really at issue in the recent Gaiman v. MacFarlane litigation. Rather, the dispute was over the Angela character (and some others) Gaiman had created for Spawn. The two agreed that McFarlane could have rights to Angela if Gaiman got McFarlane’s rights to MiracleMan (if any). McFarlane breached the agreement, and the court gave Gaiman the opportunity of choosing the compensation in the original deal (MiracleMan) or retaining ownership of Angela & the other characters. Since McFarlane toys makes boatloads of dough on toys of the characters, Gaiman chose to keep those rights (which entitles him to a % of the toy money) instead of giving them up just for McFarlane’s possible stake in MiracleMan. Therefore the MiracleMan rights situation is almost as convoluted as it was before the Gaiman v. McFarlane suit.

–Cliffy

Lee still owns Wildstorm but it’s now an imprint on DC. For some reason or an other who ever the ass hat who originally did Whitchblade got pissed at Lee took his titels and left and formed top cow. After Lee took Wildstorm to DC, the Ass Hat who owned top cow rejoined image by making top cow an image imprint.

Personally I think next to Dark Horse image is on the of best publishers to be on if you want to own your titles (which was always the goal of Image) and that there has been some good stuff to come out of image like the Maxx, Powers, Violent Messiahs, and Red Star.

One of the things that make me angry is that Top Cow has the Image’s best selling titles. I hate everything Top Cow has ever done with the exception of JMS’s stuff. Every time I look at the cover of Whichblade and Fathom I realize how much men love T&A and that’s pretty much all of their titles have to offer. The sooner Top Cow goes under the better for the whole industry.

I was always disgusted by the fact that Liefeld made a boatload of dough, while poor Dan DeCarlo got the shaft. :frowning:

Image also recently branched out into humor books (that’s right! comic books with - get this - COMEDY!) with PVP and Frank Cho’s Liberty Meadows, both published top-bound, they way they outghta be!