I’m sure you can point to me saying it will always be the case. I’m glad you’re sure that the hatred for Obama isn’t at the level of the hatred for Bill Clinton, but surely you recognize that if impeachment is evidence, it’s evidence that will not exist if the Democrats maintain control over Congress, and it’s evidence that would not exist if the Democrats during Clinton’s term had maintained control over congress.
People hated Bill Clinton. It was obsessive, it was excessive, and it was downright creepy. I see no evidence that the hatred for Obama is less. You do? Fine. It’s at least an arguable position.
The part where you implied skepticism that it could happen.
It doesn’t matter. The point is that the RW-GOP oppositionism and hatemongering we see now is nothing new, it’s they way they work, and its roots are in partisanship rather than racism. I have been responding to those who insist, foolishly and ignorantly, that it’s all about the blackness of their patron saint.
Again, it’s about the claim by the idolators that no hatred could ever have been or be in any way nearly as strong as the hatred for their own favorite superhero. Of course it can, and has been, and will be again for somebody else.
Get over yourselves and grow up, those of you - you’re no better than the teabaggers.
No, that was the part where I expressed skepticism for the lack of impeachment to date having any weight. If the Democrats retain Congress throughout Obama’s presidency, will you still point to impeachment as if it demonstrates greater hatred of Clinton?
I’m baffled as to how I’m no better than a teabagger when I think that some of the hatred of Obama exceeds the hatred of Clinton, and I think some of that hatred is fueled by racism.
That is generally the unspoken thrust of arguments like yours. Unless you are one of the few consistent ones who also insist it’s wrong to condemn groups like the Nazis or the KKK, which is stupid for different reasons.
You’d be more convincing if you weren’t parroting right wing garbage about Obama being “idolated” as a “patron saint” or “superhero”. And whether you like it or not there’s a huge amount of racism involved in the hatred against him.
You’re still not getting the point, are you? I have been trying to REBUT the observation, combined with condescending denials that anything else could be the case, that nothing that happened to Clinton could possibly compare to the amount of shit Obama has faced. You seem to agree with me. Clear now?
You’re not a blanket denier, true. Others are, though. And of course some of the current crop of Republican hate-mongering is racially fueled - just not all or even the bulk of it. Clear on that now too?
Trish, go explain that to Turnipbrain or BobTheApostle or Head Shot Off by Guns, okay? Sheesh.
I don’t think *all *teabaggers are racist. Some of them are just retarded.
Thanks for the defense, Damuri, but even if I didn’t say it in this thread, I *do *believe that Obama is getting more heat than Clinton did because he’s Black. I do not believe that *all *of the pushback is racist–as I said, some people are just stupid. (And a very few of them on the right have at least partially reasoned objections.) But I am certain that a good deal of the vitriol–especially the really disgustingly unreasoned stuff–is about Obama being not just a “liberal” but a Black one.
Well, that’s what happens when you don’t fully articulate your response–I can’t tell what part of my post you’re responding to or what your actual position is.
When I say willful ignorance isn’t my problem, I don’t mean that it doesn’t *affect *me so much as I don’t have to cut anybody any slack for it.
Do me a favor. Go find a post *anywhere *on this site where I appear to be a fan of Obama. (Hint: You won’t.) I voted for him as being the vastly better of the only two viable options. Subjectively, he’s a million miles better than McCain ever would have been (especially tied to Palin). But objectively, I don’t like him much at all. Obama is nowhere near liberal enough for me, and he never will be.
See what kind of retarded-ass conclusions you can come to when you start from false premises?
Really? That’s the best you can do? This is where I’d come up with a similarly bland version of your name, but given that it’s already got a 1 in the middle of it, I really can’t top that. Honestly, the only way you could make a better mockery of yourself every time you post is by maybe bordering the name with some x’s, or make the whole thing intercaps.
Its hard for me to imagine how one so steeped in conservative bullshit could miss the repeated call to arms, the thinly-veiled threats, the Godwinizing of Obama, the fear-mongering, and the ignorant righteousness that right wing media has spewed. I know you’re being purposefully ignorant on this subject, but take that shit somewhere else. People can see through your bullshit, ok?
By attempting to blur the line between self-defense and pre-emptive strike, you cheapen the meaning of both.
If you don’t think anyone would shoot me, then you need to take a look at the rallies and the rhetoric coming out from the Tea Baggers over the past year. Gun-waving lunatics marching with their weapons out to intimidate people, attacks on the office of Democratic Congressmen, calls by people like Beck and Palin to arm themselves or “target” Democrats. Yes, these people are literally going to shoot me if things go bad for them in November. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wearing blinders.
Yog–, not sure why you don’t undersþad my question. You are making all sorts of vague claims about how Tea Party people will shoot you or whatever. But how exactly do you see that going down? Will they riot in the streets and shoot radom people? Will they pull voting records and shoot registered Democrats? Will they start an armed insurrection to overthrowthe US and shoot several police and military personnel along with some civilians in the process? Or what?
Yeah, I dunno. Some keystroke combo on a blackberry involving a t produces a thorn, but I can’t figure out how to do it on purpose. And I’ve only ever done it on the SDMB, never email, so maybe vBulletin is involved somehow as well.
They’ve already attacked Democratic lawmakers. We had some idiotic group called the Hutaree or some shit like that try to pull off a huge cop killing spree in the hopes it would lead to a revolution. They arrested skinheads who thought they could ram their car into Obama’s motorcade while firing and killing people. As far as I’m concerned, attacking my elected officials who holds my viewpoint is a precursor to attacking people like me
Public figures would come first. Maybe someone will mail bombs to prominent liberals, maybe they’ll be attacked on the streets like that film maker who was stabbed by a radical Islamic fundie. I’m sure you’re wetting your pants at the thought of someone attacking Michael Moore.
If you want to target people it’s easy. You nutjobs are already intimidating and blowing up places that provide abortions, it doesn’t take a whole lot of brain cells to think that maybe some Tea Baggers will toss a bomb at a Democratic rally, or a rally for a liberal cause. Sarah Palin already told people to target people with liberal bumper stickers, and lo and behold, some idiot rams his car into a guy driving a car with an Obama sticker a few months back.
I’m sure you’re too unimaginative to think such things could happen, but they can and have. But it’s ok, I know you’re trolling on purpose. Next you’ll probably ask how they’ll shoot me if I would only keep my mouth shut about being liberal, right?
Thanks for clarifying that. I’m 100% behind you in not cutting slack for wilful ignorance. And I hope you will agree that wilful ignorance is a very real problem, that it affects everyone, and that itshould be fought as effectively as possible.
