Yeah, my objection was to the attitude that “it’s not their fault, 'cause they just don’t know any better.” The problem, of course, is with *how *you effectively fight willful ignorance–as the saying goes, you can’t argue out what wasn’t argued in.
This is why all the world’s problems would be solved if I had the ability to kill people with my mind. Teabaggers? Dead. Mugabe? Dead. Dude talking loudly on his cellphone on the bus? Dead. Everybody wins!
Well, not strictly speaking everybody. It’s tough to see that scenario as a win for Mugabe, the person talking on the phone on the bus, or the teabaggers.
Not saying it would be a bad thing as such, but just for accuracy’s sake, you know…
Thank you, that’s some good crazy.
Yeah, all from the right wing side. Any defense, or just excuses? :dubious:
Everybody who matters wins!
Stop making me agree with you. YogSosoth, there are definitely some crazy, violent people on the fringe of the teabagger movement, but to expect some huge group of conservatives to instigate coordinated physical violence against Democrats/liberals… :rolleyes:
I’ll allow that.
I guess you missed the part where it already happened?
It will take no more than a couple of right-wingers, the Becks and the Limbaughs, to say that liberals are a threat and to throw shit through their windows to start a campaign of violence. Conservatives are so stupid they’d happily follow along with whatever their masters tell them to do
But hey, prove me wrong. Prove that it wasn’t a right-wing retard who told people to throw bricks through Democratic Congressmen’s windows. Prove that it wasn’t Palin who said to target Democrats, using crosshairs in her little powerpoint. Prove that people who are putting up signs comparing Obama and Hitler aren’t conservatives.
Sorry, but it’s already begun to happen. The only way to stop continuing violence is if somehow all conservatives had their IQ’s increased to triple digits. That, unfortunately, would take a miracle of the god that doesn’t exist
**None **of this is a “huge group of conservatives to instigate coordinated physical violence against Democrats/liberals,” which is your premise. There are people in the conservative mainstream saying deeply stupid things, and there are a few people on the fringe who are getting physically confrontational to the point of violence against people or property. None of that is hordes of Limbaugh’s dittoheads swarming the streets to pull everybody out of a car with an Obama bumpersticker and shoot them in the back of the head to lie in the street as a warning to others, which is what your retarded prediction amounts to.
I don’t think the danger necessarily comes from the teabaggers themselves. I think you may see a situation where their extreme elements do get involved in some violent shenanigans, and people start clamoring for increased police presence and powers. And we all know that the po pos are great at using those powers to restrain the subversive forces of the right, rather than directing them against dangerous leftist elements (like gays and ethnic minorities)…
Is this shit Loki’s Wager? Cause if you’re going to define widespread violence as the point where Rush’s millions of listeners attack liberals in the streets, you’ll never get it. But there is a point in which we have already crossed where the fringe radical right has become the typical and popular plurality among the right. There is absolutely a huge group of conservatives dedicated and able, and have exercised that ability, to hurt liberals and liberal causes. The right wing may as well rebrand itself as the Tea Baggers because those retards are the mainstream now.
Everywhere you look there is the stifling of moderate, or non-crazy, conservative ideology. McCain can’t even support bills he pushed through. Romney’s afraid to tout his own universal health care program he instituted in Massachusetts. Obama’s White House has to apologize for putting out a report on possible right wing terrorism even though his administration had one from the left, and one from the right. You have Congressmen apologizing to oil companies and saying the president’s acting like a mobster. Hell, right retards even dropped patriotism like a hot potato by siding with foreign leaders in order to show how much they disagreed with Obama’s foreign policy in South America. You have a Senator praying on the fucking Senate floor for the death of another Senator!
No, Loki, your fucked up fantasy about a responsible right wing doesn’t exist. If there are non-crazy right wingers, they are in hiding and the extreme minority. The Tea Baggers are no more than a thuggish group of domestic terrorists that need to die as fast as possible so that America can progress past their evils
No shit, the right wing is fucking nuts. But there’s a huge, *huge *gap between “they are trying to enact retarded policies” and “they are going to get physically violent on a significant scale.”
How then do you explain their conquest of Iraq?
I feel threatened by crazy ass shit like that.
If killing brown foreigners were considered by the right wing to be remotely comparable to killing white Americans, we never would have invaded Iraq. Fucking duh.
I agree with you as far as you go. But I think there have been some things filling in some of those gaps. Most of those things are still rhetorical, and still offer some plausible deniability to the speakers, but in the context of the US talk of “secession” isn’t a non-violent thing. Talk of uprisings and using the 2nd to overthrow the government can be handwaved as rhetoric and, honestly, fifty years from now we may be able to see that it is just rhetoric. But fifty years from now we might also be able to see where the seeds of some pretty violent acts were sown.
The problem is that from the contemporary perspective, it’s very hard to know which words are going to spark something, which words are going to take root.
I think it’s okay to be wary of violent rhetoric and to wonder just how far it will go. It’s not to “physically violent on a significant scale” but it isn’t just “trying to enact retarded policies.”
Tell you what–if you’re right, I’ll happily split half of my canned goods with you while we huddle in a bomb shelter in the hopes of avoiding the worst of the nuclear fallout. But if I’m right, you have to look me up if we’re not still both posting on this board so I can point and laugh at you. For, like, an hour straight.