In defence of Russia

Hey dumbass, don’t hold back. I’ve been asking you to provide us tales of these ‘fucked up things’ that go on in Ukraine that are in any way remotely comparable to what goes on in Russia, yet you keep refusing not being able to do so because there is nothing remotely comparable, and delusionaly imagine you can actually get away with fooling people here into thinking you aren’t posting anything because what is it this time - ‘it has nothing to do with the war’ (yes, war crimes and imprisonment for not repeating the party line about the war have absolutely nothing to do with the war Komrad) or what was the excuse last time, oh yeah, you were just being polite and:

I refrain from posting what Ukraine is doing to many of it’s citizens as a retort.

because there is nothing to retort with.

There’s a long tradition of prisoners being released from detention to fight for their country. It happened during the German invasion of Crete in 1941 when Allied prisoners were released for combat. American inmates served their country in WWII.

The Russians have been doing it on a wider scale to support their unjustified invasion of Ukraine, not only actively recruiting among the dregs of their society but even drafting unwilling inmates. It’s an ugly mess.

How fucking stupid are you?

Not equivalent because Ukraine is invaded by Russia, who’s doing the invading. Recruiting the willing to defend the country isn’t the same as recruiting the barely willing to invade another country.

Nicely put.

For Kedicat, it’s equivalent.

This gotcha of another Russian apologist, veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, is wild!

Here’s what Seymour Hersh wrote in an article, published on the Substack platform and repeated on Russian state media:

Bellingcat guy looks into the phrase “waif in his underwear”. Compare the number of google hits for the phrase in English and Russian:

And in the category of “Only Kedikat Did Not See This Coming” we this horror:

Convicted Murderer Freed to Fight in Ukraine Accused of Butchering Six When He Got Back Home

A Russian ex-convict who was apparently freed from prison to take part in the war against Ukraine has now been accused of returning home and butchering six people in a drunken rampage.

But, surely, Komrad, this is just a one-off, right? Right? Oh.

This is not the first massacre allegedly carried out by a Russian mercenary returning home from the battlefield.

And the Russian government’s response to all this killing?

The independent investigative outlet Verstka reported last month that Russian authorities appear to be trying to conceal a wave of crimes committed by freed prison inmates-turned-Wagner fighters, with their names erased from court documents and details of their crimes kept under wraps by prosecutors and investigators.

How many posts will our resident apologist make before he says “Bad things happen everywhere” or words to that effect? My money’s on (let me roll my one-sided die)…one.

Reminds me of the existence of serial killers in the Soviet Union being concealed since such things only happened in the decadent West.

But anyway, he only killed six people, cut him some slack, he fought the Nazis in Ukraine! It’s not like he did something truly horrific like this:

Yuri Kokhovets – Courage to Inspire Us (running-n-stopping.uk)

Interview Transcript

Radio Liberty:
NATO considers Russia the most serious threat due to the invasion of Putin’s troops in Ukraine. We asked Muscovites whether a détente between Russia and NATO countries is needed?

Yuri Kokhovets answers:
We definitely need a detente. But it all depends on our government. It is our wreckless government: Putin and his gang.

Russia has created these problems all by itself. Twenty years now they have been saying that NATO constitutes a big problem. I do not see any problem in NATO at all. NATO does not plan to take over anybody. But for 20 years now our propaganda tells us that NATO comes closer and closer, that it wants to attack us … and some weird pre-texts are put forward.

I see all of this as part of the old bureaucracy from Soviet times.

Our government said that it wants to fight the nationalists, but it bombs commercial centers – In Bucha our soldiers from Buratia and Dagestan shoot civilian people, without any reason. And because of such acts people start to hate.

We need to stop all of this. One person can stop this in our country. As soon as he stops this, there will be detente in the relations with NATO and all other countries. We need to stop with these actions and everything will be fine. Everything is very simple. Our economy will rise after that, the stock market will immediately jump.

Clearly speech that has “motives of hate or hostility.” I’m shocked the glorious Soviet Russian government was so lenient as to only give him 10 years.

It’s funny how the article Kedikat offers to establish moral equivalence between Ukraine and Russia mentions around a dozen Ukrainians with a record of military service being released to fight, while Russia - and their Wagner proxies - have enlisted tens of thousands of prisoners, most with no military experience, and sent them off to fight and die with no military training.

Russia doesn’t even make any pretense that they aren’t to be used as cannon fodder, to be sacrificed on the altar of the fascistic, nihilistic “special military operation”/Z-War. It’s right there in the name of 2023’s iteration of Russian cannon fodder - “Storm-Z”. These aren’t the Wagner prisoner-soldiers of last year. These are penal units of the official Russian Armed Forces, that they formed themselves after deciding to ban Wagner from recruiting prisoners.

Traditionally, shock assault troops, or “stormtroopers”, are well-trained, well-equipped troops for assaulting enemy strongpoints. Storm-Z troops, on the other hand, are pure cannon fodder, with the intention that they will cause Ukrainain soldiers to expend ammunition and energy, and reveal their positions.

Traditional Russian military philosophy is like the reverse of western military philosophy. They send in their weakest troops first, the conscript colonial troops that have low military value, so the enemy gets worn out from killing them and so they use up their ammunition, and they keep their better-equipped, pure-blood Russian forces to follow on in the later stages.

I find the instances of criminals drafted into the war doing bad things to be pretty irrelevant to the war in general. Horrible. But they happen in peace time all the time. Hence they were in prison in the first place.

I find the idea of anyone taking prisoners out and using them in a war to be a mistake for many reasons. I would definitely not want to be in command of such people. Obviously they are not motivated. They are not trust worthy. They may be uncontrollably violent within the ranks themselves. A number of negatives.

Posting such drivel here is useless. But it is the Pit so have at whatever. Prisoner soldiers is a minor aspect of the war. War is a giant effort. The various sides in it will do stupid things. Sometimes they have great effect. Often only local temporary effect.

I tend to ignore these types of instances, in regards to the war. They are terrible. But not of importance to the war in general.

Then why post?

Useless as well.

Some important stuff.
Ukraine forces seem to have abandoned the big arrow counter offensive. They were pushed into it very hard by their backers and suppliers. Although I feel those backers had not supplied them with nearly enough of the materiel they needed to do it. No air superiority made it even more difficult. Ukraine lost a lot of personnel and materiel. I think they have gone back to more effective tactics. Considering what military position they are actually in.
They seem to be getting more effective at behind the lines attack. Hitting more ammo depots and artillery. Drone intel and targeting seems to be getting much better. This is a great thing. No loss hits. Some good infrastructure hits. Sea drones are causing little major damage, but causing great trepidation. The defence against them is very difficult for ships.
Russia had too much time to create defence in depth on the ground. The counter offensive was not supplied enough to defeat this. But to hold the line may be possible for some good amount of time.
But that leads to continued attrition. Russia seems to definitely have the upper hand in an attrition war. Many media reports are now using the word Stalemate. That does seem to apply well to the position of the front lines. But not to the situations behind the lines. Ukraine does not have its own military production in place. It relies on its backers. They are not currently able or willing to go to wartime production levels. In time this will increase. But may take years. Russia had stockpiles and went to wartime production increases quickly.
Ukraine forces continue to fight incredibly well. But the hard facts limit them. Going forward it is completely up to their backers as to what changes will take place. If the current situation continues. I see negotiation at some point in this year. Loss of Ukraine territory. If the backers go all out? Could explode into who knows what.

I’m sure you do Komrad! Just funny laws in ‘various countries’! Why nobody could have predicted that pardoning convicted murders and rapists en masse in ‘various countries’ to use as cannon fodder would result in most of them dead and the remainder set free on the streets of ‘various countries’ committing more rapes and murders? Who could have predicted such future behavior from murderers and rapists?

Eh, I’m bored…

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Unfortunately there are generally no great metrics for determining who is winning an attritional war en toto until after the fact. Really tip-top intelligence agencies (and perhaps the governments they serve) might have a general idea, but I rather doubt even the policy makers in Moscow and Kyiv are really fully cognizant of how well or poorly their opposites are doing overall. It’s not just simple stuff like munitions produced/used or how bad relative casualty rates are. It’s also thing like internal strains on economies and morale, which are rather like hidden stress points in a slowly-inflating balloon. It’s not obvious where or when it will pop, but the longer you go the more likely it is to fail.

We don’t know if Russia has the upper hand. For that matter we also don’t know Ukraine has it, either. But most of the available evidence points seems to point to the Russian military having had by a good margin the worst of it to date, albeit mostly on Ukrainian soil. Where it goes, nobody knows.

The first sentence is completely incorrect. Ukraine does indeed have an arms industry, having inherited a section (a smaller one) of the old USSR’s production capacity. Before the Donbas insurrection they were in 2012 the 4th largest arms exporter in the world. Understandably most production has turned domestic since 2014, but the domestic arms industry is hardly tiny by any standards.

Now the second sentence is substantially correct, because Ukraine doesn’t remotely have the capacity to sustain a high-intensity war against a major antagonist for an extended period of time. However the same can be said of most any nation, including Russia.

Had and ehhhhhh, respectively. Russia seems to have already burned through a large chunk of their available precision munitions (which they have difficulty replacing for both technical and money reasons) and increasingly seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel with their conventional stocks. Multiple reports of increasing numbers of dud and misfiring munitions have surfaced, combined with a general slackening of earlier heavy rates of fire. Then there is the fact that a good deal of those supposedly vast stockpiles were either pilfered or just not maintained to any reasonable standard. Huge piles of rusting, seized engines are not of a great deal of immediate use and even if some are capable of being rehabilitated ( a big “if”), that takes time and costs money Russia increasingly doesn’t have.

Russia has (or should I say, had) half the GDP of the state of California. That the Russian economy can keep on trucking along trying to build war material at a massive rate seems most unlikely. Even whatever help they can get from the black market or the likes of North Korea is unlikely to keep pace with the economic engines of the West.

We’ll see how it goes. But yeah, Russia is definitely not winning at the moment and its prospects aren’t particularly rosy.

Looks like that Möbius coin came in right handy.

Then why did you post about it in the first place?

An important attribute for a propagandist is to remember what propaganda you’ve spouted.

Our glorious Komrad being factually wrong?! Say it isn’t so, such a thing is unprecedented in this thread, he only speaks party line which we all know is fact!

In all seriousness though, while the Javelin and NLAW were understandably signal boosted both in Ukraine and in the West for their abilities in stopping the Russian offensive as they represented a very visible and potent sign of Western support in the early days and months of the war, the domestically produced Ukrainian Stugna-P probably killed more Russian tanks than Javelin and NLAW combined. They were certainly responsible for more visually confirmed Russian tank losses, but part of this is due to the control unit having a flat-screen display that is easy to point a phone at and record and can be placed 50 meters away from the firing unit, making it relatively safe to record as opposed to Javelin and NLAW which lack such a display and the first thing the user is going to do after firing is displace from the firing location, not whip out their cell phone to record the missile.