Want us to beat him/her/it up for you?
Well, I didn’t have to admit it if I didn’t want to.
And actually, I was surprised at the amount of support I ahve gotten in this thread, it was the original thread on Mundane that really pissed me off.
I will admit that the majority of my post was directed at Turp. The stop taking it personally statement didn’t help. How can I not take it personally when I have had plastic surgery?
iam, of course Black Hole is a GUY! And no, do not beat him up please…
michi,
I didn’t read the thread you are referring to, but I hear what you’re saying.
I had my nose done about 10 years ago. It wasn’t horrible before-hand, but I wanted it to be a little better. I had the money, so I did it. Big whoop.
I never expected the procedure to change my life, nor was I a heaping mass of self loathing and pity before the surgury. I just wanted a nicer nose.
And now I have one. And I’m perfectly fine, thank you.
I hope all those decrying the evils of plastic surgury and suggesting that anyone who opts for it lacks self esteem are walking around everyday without any make-up, fashionable clothes or stylish hair. Otherwise, I can only say “Hypocrite!”
And dropzone, what do you mean “I’m not talking about cancer survivors”? So it’s OK for someone to improve their looks with surgury if they’ve survived cancer, but not otherwise? What, is it a privilege one has to earn by staring death in the face? I don’t get your point.
Hey-
Out of curiosity, i went and looked at your picture.
You look fine.
Like I tried to say before, I think that outrageous upgrades are disgusting and look fake. I see them all the time.
If I can’t tell that a woman has had a breast enlargement, then I suppose it was successful. And it warms me to think that it can improve the way a woman feels about herself.
I think in the MPSIMS thread, most people were referring to the fake breasts that I have seen- the ludicrous round ones.
I also stand by my statement that many of these people may have issues to go through such extremes. Really- that is a drastic step to take to improve one’s appearance.
I wasn’t just talking about breasts either. Unless you have an overwhelming deformity or were in an accident or it affects your breathing, I just don’t understand nose jobs. I love noses. I think even huge noses and button noses and noses with extra bumps in them are so wonderfully unique- like fingerprints. It hurts to think that someone would ever want a more “normal” nose.
Like Jennifer Grey- I thought she was so cute and then she went and spoiled everything and got a nose job. Now her face looks so ordinary. You can tell- that’s not the right nose!
But I guess I’m a little off the subject. You probably think nose jobs are ok, too. What I meant, over and over, was that people are a lot better-looking than they think, and other people don’t notice features that other believe are unattractive as much as the “featured” person believes.
So why fuck with yourself like that?
By the way- judging from your picture, I think you look fine either way. It just seems unecessary but I guess it made you feel better.
Did you post a thread sometime before you got your new breasts? I would like to read that.
ludicrous? ordinary? by whose standards…maybe they look fine to the owner.
to each his own
Lucky- I think dropzone was more talking about survivors of breast cancer who have had masectomies, and have breast implants as a form of reconstructive surgery.
Or he might be talking about how men who have survived prostrate cancer have the inalienable right to demand that their wives/domestic partners get breast implants under the 1987 “Massive Mammaries” Bill (SR 1063 Kennedy-Packwood), which was later overturned by the Supreme Court (in Minnesota vs. Estelle “Hunka Hooters” Grey) with their finding that “wasting more than a handful is a violation of the 7th Amendment”.
But I expect the former.
(As to the OP- I’m fully behind Michi on this one. Admittedly, I’d prefer to be in front of her, giving the issue, but I’ll just have to take Black Hole’s word on this one.)
“giving the issue”? Boy, if that wasn’t a Freudian slip, then Sigmund never wore ladies’ underwear.
That should be “given the issue”.
No, I didn’t start a thread before I got my implants, this was 10 years ago, and I didn’t even know the Straight Dope existed then!
And yes, I do think nose jobs are OK. I had a few friends who had their noses done and they looked fabulous afterwards.
As I stated before, I don’t care what anyone else thinks about my body. If you like flat chests and bumpy noses, great. You can have a flat chest and a bumpy nose. But if I don’t like my flat chest or bumpy nose, I’m gonna change it. To make myself happy.
I didn’t post to the other thread due to lack of time, but cosmetic surgery is a purely personal decision. Onlookers really don’t have any rights at all, judging and weighing reasons for the changes.
Okay, sometimes it becomes public discussion when the alterations are so bizarre they’re unavoidable, i.e. that lady in the gazillion dollar alimony suit who had her face cosmetically altered to resemble a cat. Even then the best thing would be to try not to stare.
I would never undergo cosmetic surgery out of devout cowardice. (Seeing needles on medical shows make me swimmy headed. Scalpels? get the smelling salts.)
Good for you, Michi. You had the guts and good sense to make a change that made you feel good. Your body, your reasons, your business.
Veb
Actually, John, it was the latter. Us Minnesota boys like everything natural. 
No, of course I was talking about reconstructive surgery. Sheesh, Lucky! Being in the Pit doesn’t mean you check your brain at the door. Although coming up with your reasoning would have required more effort. I should have been clearer.
And I stand behind my second apology. But with all of the reservations in the first one.
Of course, no one consults you, Turpentine, before they get plastic surgery. I suspect it is because they don’t give a flying fuck what you think about what they do to their bodies. So you definitely have the right to think that people with breast enhancements look bad, and you even have to right to tell them. But, really, it’s not polite, and it’s not a nice thing to do. I think Michi was well within her rights to take it personally.
dropzone, you’re always so conciliatory. It makes me want to hurl.
I would like to apologise to Black Hole for the DNFTT remark. But in my defense, he posted it as his first post, in the Pit, 5 minutes after registering. What’s a boy to do
So, that settles it, right? Michi has great (albeit surgically enhanced) boobs, we all think that’s cool, Black Hole has a personal testimony, and we all apologised to those offended.
I’m gonna get a beer. And maybe see if there’s something flamable in the Pit after all 
I’m not conciliatory. I’m a consensus builder.
:: dropzone ducks incoming rocks ::
Michi,
I’m sorry I started the thread now that I see how upsetting it has become to you. I was really just looking for information, and I’m sorry it became something of a debate. The truth is, I had never really thought about implants before, and I wasn’t having much luck on my own.
I guess the real reason I’m kind of against my friend getting them is because I don’t think she is doing it for herself. She has a scumbag boyfriend that she will bend over backwards for, and he gives her only heartbreak in return. They are living together, but he still insists on dating other women. A vast majority of these women are strippers, and I feel she is doing it to compete with these other women. Frankly, I think she is crazy to take out a loan to pay for new breasts, especially when she recently had to borrow $10,000 from a relative to bail herself out of credit card debt. She cries that she can’t leave him because she doesn’t have enough money to live on her own, but at the same time, she is going to give herself another monthly bill, making it all the more difficult to leave. I don’t feel bad for her, because she could leave him if she really wanted to, but she refuses to move back in with her parents, even just for a few months to get back on her feet financially. I believe she is being a giant fool, and I didn’t bring all this up in the original thread because I knew if I did, all the responses would be negative, and I wanted somewhat unbiased opinions.
Again, I am sorry my thread ended up hurting you.
Rose
At least some of these women are probably thinking that by spending thousands of dollars at a gym or hiring a personal trainer or having someone make them a new nose or sticking plastic in their chest that they’ll get better much tips from people who go to the strip clubs that employ them.
Most strippers invest an “extreme” amount of time or money in making their body look good, whether it’s at the gym or under the knife.
Pardon the genuine curiosity, but by spending money at strip clubs aren’t you sort of encouraging the same kind of “extreme” lengths women go to to improve their appearance that you are criticizing here?
[Edited by Alphagene on 09-06-2000 at 10:22 PM]
All apologies accepted. I wasn’t trying to incite the masses… simply testifying to the magnificence that is Michi’s chest.
Can I get an “amen?”
Michi, I’m glad that plastic surgery had the desired result for you. You sound like you did it for all the right reasons; I wish the same could be said of everyone who goes under the knife.
Like Blue Tywlight, I have a friend is under the impression that plastic surgery will make her like herself better when what she realy needs is therapy. Ironically, Michi, in your OP you wrote “Before I had my boobs done I had NOTHING” and I know you meant that you had virtually no breasts, but my friend would have said that statement literally – she felt she was nothing without breasts. Of course, surgery did nothing to change the “I’m nothing” part of her self-image, and now that the short-term gratification has worn off she’s wondering what else needs “fixing” before she likes what she sees in the mirror. (I suppose at this point I should add that she’s traffic-stoppingly gorgeous.)
It just blows my mind that a teenager can walk into a plastic surgeon’s office and say, “I want boobs as big as my head!” and some doctors’ only concern is how their bill will be paid. That’s not what cosmetic surgery was supposed to be about; what began as post-trauma reconstruction has, in some cases, degenerated into shallow quick-fix reinvention.
This is pretty much what I was going to say. Most of the women I know with boob jobs were the ladies I danced with at the topless clubs. They thought of their boobs as an investment. They got their boobs for the same reason a lawyer wants a plush office or a nice suit. I knew some women with freakishly large boobs (larger than their own heads) and even the guys said they didn’t think they were attractive… but they were such a curiosity that they paid them anyway.
As for Michi… I’ve met her, and while I didn’t get the chance to squeeze her Charmin, I did see her (fully dressed) and she looks completely natural.
dropzone,
That’s exactly what I meant. You said you have no problem with cancer survivors having reconstructive surgury, but oppose the idea of other women having implants. I don’t see the difference. In both cases, the women wish to improve their appearance. I don’t see how or why you draw the line at mastectomy.
Certainly a woman can live a full life with only one breast. Why do you allow for reconstructive surgury but find implants inappropriate?