In the US, do all topless and bottomless dancers have to wear pasties & G-strings?

If you’re talking about Cafe Risque… fully nude, half bar, no touchy.

The last time I was in Windsor, across the river from Detroit, there was apparently a rule that the ladies had to have some garment on. The bra came off, then the panties, then the g-string, but first a silly fishnet stole was put on. Shoes apparently didn’t count, and Randy Newman’s instructions (You Can Leave Your Hat On) didn’t apply, either.

Now, my hat was a different matter. They all wanted to put on my fedora. Some were intent on squeezing both of them into my hat, and dancing that way. What is it about a fedora, anyway?

I don’t remember if there were fishnet stockings. That wasn’t what I was looking at.

They showed everything we were interested in :slight_smile:

Here in Canada (at least in Ontario and Quebec, the only 2 provinces I’ve been to a strip club) full nude dancing is the only way our clubs operate. In my experience I have never seen anything but full nude, admittedly it usually takes a couple or 3 dances (each dance getting progressivley nakeder, but not surprisingly not always dressed, breasts, full nude order sometimes the pubic region comes first). At all of these clubs liquor is served, even if it is very expensive. Touching of the genitals is not allowed by the patron, breasts are allowed to be touched, and the dancer can do whatever she pleases. In Quebec, Montreal specifically, pretty much anything is allowed, including simulated sex acts.

As to male dancers, a friends brother use to do it, and yes it was the full monty, occasionally the dancers were even encouraged to do MANY different things with their units. And guys always get the wrap of being the perverted gender.

I second cdnguy. In the 4 nudie bars I’ve been to (including the last one with my GF and friends) are all fully nude.

The last place I went to (near my work place in Mississauga) is a high end “gentlema’s club”. The women are on a tall stage and didn’t get tips. I guess they made all the real money with lap dances (my GF wanted me to try one but I declined).

I don’t know… But if I ever go to a nudie bar, I’m wearing one.

CalMeacham, you forgot about the amateurs. On Bourbon Street, you don’t even need to bother with the clubs at all; there are plenty of amateur (i.e., they don’t make their living that way) ladies out on the street who will show you breasts and, if you’re lucky, genitals in exchange for cheap plastic souvenir beads. I think that there are actually laws against this, but on Bourbon Street, they’re almost never enforced.

I’m amazed nobody has mentioned the “World Famous” Big Al’s here in Peoria, Illinois. It is, of course, all nude, with a full liquor bar. Unfortunately I think the quality has gone down a little over the last couple years with newer mangagement, but its still pretty fun a couple times a year.

For whomever asked, the dancers just thrown their tips into a pile on the stage until they are done performing.

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Pasties? That’s some strange dancing :confused:

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Uhhhh…thanks, guys.

I think.

[goes away to put cold cloth on forehead]

…but before I do that, may I say how much I love this place? Where else on the Web will you find people who will pause in the middle of a discussion of nudie bars to address the issue of whether D.C. is “sovereign” or not? :smiley:

Not pasties. Pasties!

(Work-safe link)

Phew! I was going to have nightmares about a Naked Morris dancer (equally work safe :smiley: )

Interesting, interesting . . . is there anywhere where a rationalization has been proposed for the idea that vagina plus booze equals trouble? I mean, that’s the law where I am, and I see it’s a common thing, so what’s the particular idea behind allowing booze and g-strings, or no booze and no clothes?

Oh, and feel free to tell this relatively innocent doper more about male strip clubs - in places where the guys are actually nude, do they generally, uh, sport wood? Seems it would be hard to maintain, but I imagine most of the audience would prefer it. Oh, and what, in particular, were those dirty, dirty acts they were doing with their equipment?

I thought the idea was that the establishment would lose business, then move over to the next town or district that didn’t have restrictions.

No rationalization, it’s just a pure power play. The city does this to bars just because they can get away with it.

In most localities, businesses that want to sell booze have to get a liquor license to operate. And since the have to get one, the city politicians can force them to agree to various restrictions if they want that license.

But a business that doesn’t sell booze, and so doesn’t need a liquor license from the city isn’t stuck with having to agree to such restrictions in order to operate.

Now the city could try to pass general ordinances that apply to all businesses, but those are much tougher to do. First, as laws, they would have to meet the usual constitutional requirements regarding free speech, etc. Secondly, the city has to be able to prove that they enforce these equally to all businesses. (An argument like “you’re arresting our dancers, but you let the movie theatre down the street show famous actresses with bare breasts – that’s not equal treatment” will probably hold up before a judge.) Most cities have found that general bans such as this are hard (and expensive) to uphold in court. Whereas they can put almost any requirements they want on liquor licenses, and get away with it.

The courts in a number of states (mine included) have ruled that nude dancing in such clubs is constitutionally protected free expression. So a city could not ban nude dancing altogether and still pass muster under the Georgia Constitution.

Cities have much more leeway in denying liquor licenses to nude clubs. Here in Georgia, the City will usually argue that nude clubs lead to a lot of criminal activity. If the city has evidence to back up this claim the Courts will allow an ordinance to stand which restricts sale of alcohol in nude establishments. The city ordinance must be genuinely directed at fighting crime, though, and not primarily directed at stopping nude dancing. Confusing, I know. Here’s a sample case from Georgia. (Hope that link works.)

In a number of jurisdictions where a city has successfully barred nude clubs from getting liquor licenses, a club is put to the choice of having totally nude dancers and serving no alcohol, or having scantily-clad dancers and being allowed to serve alcohol. A tough choice, since the money tends to be in the alcohol sales.

It’s a hat. The kind Indiana Jones wears.

Like Oregon’s, the Wisconsin Supreme Court has also ruled that nude dancing is protected “speech”.

In San Francisco at the Mitchell Brother’s O’Farrell theatre the women get completely naked. You can pay for private dildo shows, etc. God bless 'em :slight_smile:

Never been to a male strip club but I was watching “Real Sex” on HBO the other night and they interviewed some men who dance at a club. They “beef up” up before going out in front of the ladies by passing around Penthouse or whatever. At least one of the guys then loosely ties a soft nylon web around his testicles and penis as a cock ring to stay large for his show. I assume that the ladies won’t shower quite as many tips on a guy who looks like he’s standing in the cold. They didn’t show them getting totally naked but they were down to things like a small sock or a tiny transparent pouch. Some of the women reached right in to check out the merchandise. Dancers pointed out that female dancers call the shots but male dancers tend to be at the mercy of the female customers.

I visited a strip club in Canada once. It was a weird experience — instead of a supet-tech glitzy “Gentleman’s Club” or a kind of dark and sleazy dive in a not-so-great part of town (U.S. Strip clubs seem to belong one of these two extremes), it was an ordinary restaurant-bar-show venue in an ordinary strip mall (you should pardon the phrase), well lit and not segregated at all. There were men and women in the audience mingling in a pretty normal fashion – none of the dollar-bill-tippers up front and serious drinkers/shy guys/lap dance seekers in the back dynamics I’ve seen elsewhere. It was a nice evening out with Canadian couples getting something to drink and, apparently coincidentally, watcjhing people take their clothes off.

There was an occasional guy stripper, who looked OK, but was no Chippendale. They took everything off, but weren’t – uh – woody. One of them offered female patrons a paddle to spank him with.