In Which I pit a Vegan (tame)

I added my recipes to the other thead:

I don’t think veganism is a disorder, but I DO think some people with eating disorders use veganism as a cover story. I say this as someone in recovery from anorexia and having met many others in treatment. Group therapy is a great place to learn new methods of not eating.

I’m vegan, but not especially strict about it. Left to myself, I happily supply myself with delicious, nutritious vegan fare every day, and no one is the wiser. If I go out to a restaurant or something with friends, and the only vegetarian items on the menu are cheese-laden, I’ll go with that because it isn’t a big deal. For some reason it’s next to impossible to find vegan pizza and Mexican. I don’t care. My lacto-ovo lapses are infrequent, and I hate getting all ideological about something that doesn’t matter very much. I’m older and mellower now, and my earnestly ideological youth is behind me.

Her email seems to be stating something about herself, it does not appear to be requesting that you change what you plan to cook. I think the only requirement is for you to inform her if your dish may contain one or more of the above ingrediants so she may choose not to eat any of it.

Stevia is that plant.

My understanding is ‘Sugar in the Raw’ is the same white sugar w/ some molassas poured on to it.

As for it being a semi eating disorder, I never considered it that way, but it sort of makes some sense, especially when you have to consider the lengths they must go throught to get a vegan diet to fill your nutritional needs. Sort of a OCD comes to mind.

The in your face veagans might display tendancies of ODD.

But in either case the disorder might be the issue that leads to the veganism, rather then the other way around, or unrelated.

Same here. I could be 100% vegan when I lived in SoCal with a bunch of vegan friends and delicious asian and vegetarian restaurants. Here in North Carolina (NoCar?), I’m lucky if there’s even anything vegetarian on the menu. I get stuck a lot eating a side of fries…

I think that’s brown sugar, which is why we can get light and dark types.

I’m going over there right now to post the recipes. I also changed my email in my profile, it was my old one, sorry.

And I use semi-sweet chocolate chips. I’m not all crazy hardcore vegan, I still do granulated sugar and honey and stuff. Other vegans may differ in how far they go with it. You can call me a low-level vegan if you wish. After almost nine years, you tend to loosen up about some stuff. :cool:

You forgot yeast =)

Hm. OK - vegan loses meat, dairy. Many baked goods have whey and other dairy byproducts in it, so they can be out unless made from scratch with yeast, flour, a smidge of a sugar, salt possibly an oil and water…Also some extreme vegans see yeast as an animal not a plant … sigh

Celiac loses gluten and certain flours. IIRC celiacs can still use corn, rice, nut based and legume based flours [chickpea, mung] Frequently commercial preparations use wheat or other glutenous bearing plants as thickeners - but you can still use stuff like guar or psyllium to thicken with.

Salt - many cardio and kidney problem sufferers avoid added salt. This lets out soy, tamari, commercially prepared foods of many types. To be blunt about it, most salt processing happens to involve liquifying it, filtering out any solids that dont liquify, and then evaporating the water - sometimes certain chemicals are added to help impurities precipitate out - frequently egg white based or gelatin based. Both are no-nos for vegans.

Yeast itself - there is a health regimine for chronic yeast infection sufferers that precludes ‘fermented’ foods from breads, cheeses, vinegars, pickles and the like.

Some people are now following some sort of odd pH diet, where a lot of stuff is chopped out and they drink green glop stirred into water…I have a friend doing that. Some recipes are tasty, but on the whole I like my pH where it is…

No, no, it actually makes no sense whatsoever. Maintaining a vegan diet really doesn’t require all that much effort, unless you consider reading labels to be some great effort.

:confused: I may be whooshed here, but I just copied her list from the OP; yeast wasn’t on it. What do you mean?

Daniel

Unless you’re eating nothing but chips and french fries, it’s really not that hard. You actually have to make an effort not to get enough protein (almost everything has protein in it) the only thing that I’ve ever had to pay attention to was my B-12 intake and on occasion I’ve had some issues with my iron intake. Both of which can be easily fixed by taking a multi-vitamin.

I’m not going to get into the whole “a vegan diet can actually be healthier than a meat eating diet” debate, but I do have to take exception to the sterotype that we’re all these sickly, starving shadows of people, or that we have to put hours into planning every meal. Just ask this extra 20 pounds I carry around with me every day and the 5 to 10 minutes of thought I put into every meal… :wink:

Well, someone mentioned yeasst=) guess it wasnt the OP … oops=)

Heck, as a rampant carnivore, I can manage a lacto-ovo meal with minimal thought and with a little bit of though can come up with a very vegan meal, or almost any really restricted regime fairly easily - though i wouldnt want to have a go at macrobiotics, no brown rice in th house…

I frequently can eat a vegan meal, i happen to really like tofu=) and though I havent found them locally for a while tofu scrambler is great as ithas a really good flavor profile and sometimes i forget to have mrAru buy eggs=)

Those with celiac disease have to avoid wheat, oats, barley, and rye, and anything made from them. I had a boss whose daughter had celiac disease, then came down with juvenile diabetes so she really had to watch what she ate. To top it off, she then started getting interested in vegetarianism. I thought he was going to keel over when he learned that.

I can help!

cwPartner has celiac disease (no wheat or other gluten-bearing products) and likes to stick to a kosher vegetarian diet. Oh, and he fancies himself unusually sensitive to salt, so he likes to avoid added salt. We eat a lot of curry-type dishes, most of which go like this:

Fry up some onions and garlic in the vegetable oil of your choice.
Add appropriate dry spices (turmeric, cumin, coriander seed, cayenne or chilli powder - let’s hope your challenging dinner companion has nothing against strong seasonings). Stir them around to bring up the aroma.
Add chopped up potatoes, winter squash (butternut, buttercup, hubbard, acorn, etc.), turnips, parsnips, carrots, or other nice, hard vegetables. Stir this around until the vegetables are coated with the onions, garlic, and spices.
Add a couple of cups of the *cooked * beans of your choice. We like chickpeas.
Add a bit of liquid - water, unsalted vegetable broth, tomato puree, etc. You want enough of this to keep the vegetables from burning.
Let the whole thing simmer until the vegetables are tender.
Serve and eat.

Reasonably easy, tasty, easily adapted to your choice of flavorings.

Offer a fruit salad for dessert.

What makes you say that? Our chopped liver? Lox and bagels? Maybe all the Chinese food we eat?

As it turns out most vegans do not eat steaks prepared medium-rare, so while it may not be an eating disorder, it is certainly unsophisticated.

Are you kidding me? Vegans like their steaks to still be mooing!
Daniel

Silly question, but as there are so many vegetarians and vegans in this thread, I thought I’d ask.

Are there very many veggie Epicureans out there? You know, people that love to cook and eat, who are very hedonistic in their food experience? As an avowed omnivore, I confess that i have a hard time reconciling the dietary restrictions we’ve discussed and someone truly enjoying food.

What we lack in flavor we make up for in moral superiority.

No, actually, I enjoy food just fine. There are just things that you consider “food” that I don’t. Like animals.

There sure are: I’ll try later to get you a sampling of restaurants that qualify, but definitely there are vegetarians who loooove their food. I’m one of them. While I don’t go buying $200 truffles for breakfast, cooking is one of my great pleasures in life, and I’m reasonably good at it.

Daniel