And what clue is there that I have used a sock puppet, Teelo?
Oh, that’s right. Z E R O ! ! ! ! ! !
I guess I was thinking about the cultural differences. You made it sound like your Indian parent didn’t do much in the way of educating you about Indian culture and religion or forcing it on you, so maybe you haven’t had the problems a lot of interracial kids do and you’re just like any normal Canadian kid. But if there are issues that have bothered you throught your life, I’d like to hear about them.
But first, get this thing straightened out with Monty, mmmkay? 
…is that it has such great potential. It has vast resources, and a capable . intelligent workforce. The real problem has been the socialist/quasi-communist Congress Party, which has stifled entrepreneurship at every turn. I used to work for a company which had a division in India (in Bombay). Despite the plant manager’s best efforts, he was always being frustrated by the local officials-just about everything, from getting a lower electricity rate, to sewer hookups required the payment of a bribe.
In my opinion, India needs a revolution-it is the only way to remove the Congress party from power.
Slicky: Where did you come from and how fast can you get back there?
I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that apology, Monty. In his (slight) defense, I’m not sure if Teelo truly realizes how bad the sock accusation is.
Monty: Uh…maybe you didn’t notice.
There. Now do you understand? See why I didn’t just say it without reason?
Anyone can sockpuppet, but there is no proof. I cannot tell if you lie through text messages. So I can’t give you an apology.
And if you got it, would feel better?
Monty: Uh…maybe you didn’t notice.
There. Now do you understand? See why I didn’t just say it without reason?
Anyone can sockpuppet, but there is no proof. I cannot tell if you lie through text messages. So I can’t give you an apology.
And if you got it, would you feel better?
Posters get accused of being trolls all the time by veteran posters yet now and then we read that that is a no no, yet such accusations go largely unchallenged. Is sock puppetry accusation a worse crime than trolling accusation?
Yes, I would feel better. I did not accuse you of anything. You, with exactly zero evidence other than your guess. And, as others have pointed out, with me it’s not possible.
If you cannot prove something then you shouldn’t make the accusation in the first place. Here, calling somebody a sock or troll is considered to be one of the worst insults you can do and, even if you had proof, the correct form of action is to email a Mod with your suspicions.
Take the advice that has been given to you and apologise. Now.
*For the record, Monty strikes me as a poster who tells you how he feels without resorting to sock-puppetry.
grienspace: Yep it happens and it’s one of my pet hates. I’ve posted in the discussion of the new Pit rules my feelings about troll hunting. As far as I can make out, it’s a no-no (as you say) but not specifically against the rules.
After “…your guess” add “, accused me of being both a racist and a sock puppet.”
Great. Now I’m defending Monty. Teelo, apologize to the man now, please?
If you don’t, sir, I shall be forced to retract my defense of you and then you’re fair game. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and now you’re just being ignorant. Just because he wasn’t real nice to you should not give you cause to be a jackass.
Man, the twists this thread have taken, I’ll tell ya.
Airman, I’m in the same boat.
Teelo, listen to me. One of the traits we admire around here is the ability to admit when you are wrong. That takes spine. I still don’t think you properly understand the gravity of yout accusation to Monty. Ya’ll can lock horns all you want to, and I will probably defend you there. But what you did is the equivalent of kicking the guy in the nuts during a fight. It’s just not done.
Show some spine, apologize, you and Monty shake hands (I have no doubt he will accept your apology) and let’s get back to talking about India.
I like you. Please, prove me right by summoning the strenghth and the confidence to apoligize sincerely.
I just got this email from the poster known as Teelo:
Doors: On the first page of this thread, I said I didn’t want to get into an argument with you. I think you see that my reaction was from your “2nd point.” I obviously disagreed with it and felt it was uncalled for and had a pretty strong reaction to it. Obviously, you felt my reaction was uncalled for. Again, I never intended to get into an argument with you. Heck, I got no problem with you, dude!
But this e-mail from Teelo…well, Teelo, here’s my response.
I’ve told you already and others have told you already that I don’t use sock puppets. You have essentially called me a racist, a liar, and a sock puppet. And all of that with exactly zero proof. Yes, I know that you think it’s the poster known as Slicky who is a racist. But, obviously, you have this idea that Slicky is I; therefore, you must think that I’m a racist. Why you want to hold to the idea that I would do something that’s cause for immediate banning is beyond my understanding.
Now, look above where you said:
That’s the crux of it, really. It’s also the source of the short spat between Doors (whom I respect a lot, btw, and wish the best in both his military and personal lives) and me. I was telling the poster I assumed (going by the little UserName to the left of the post) was Wearia putting words in my mouth what I thought about doing that. You may have noticed one of the pinned notices on this board is a warning not to change another poster’s words (which, IMHO, also includes “putting words in another’s mouth”). I was none too happy with Wearia apparently doing that to me. Well, you and Wearia both said that was an innocent mixup since y’all are using the one computer. I accept that. Plus, you obviously don’t like it when someone does that to you. I say this based on the comment of yours I just quoted.
And Beeble is 100% correct: apologize and I’ll be happy to accept that apology. Plus, like I said above, I’d feel better.
But that apology had better cover apologizing for calling me a racist, a liar, and a sock puppet if you expect it to get accepted. I am none of those.
Jesus H C, Monty. That’s counterproductive.
Teelo, you owe him an apology about the sock puppet issue. DO THAT!. Show some fucking spine and admit the mistake. However, you do not owe him an apology about the other shit, that is still in play. We can’t get to that untill you address the wrong, though.
Monty, don’t demand an apology over shit that is debateable, just accept an apology for the sock puppet thing.
Can we please all shake hands and get back to the India?
I don’t think it’s debatable that I’m a racist or a liar, Beeble. I am not a racist. I am not a liar.
erm, if a mod happens to wander by, can you delete the “the” from that last sentence? (maybe take the extra L out of “until”, too.)
Monty, I don’t think you are racist or a liar, what is debateable is that I’m not sure Teelo called you those things.
He did accuse you of using socks, and he needs to apologize for that.
Teelo,
I thought your op was for the most part well-written. You seem like you are intelligent. I think however that you are being quite rude by coming here and accusing well-established posters of something that is heavily frowned upon here. Monty is very capable of speaking for himself without having to resort to something as juvenile as a sock puppet. He is also pretty well-respected here. Not by everyone of course, but who is? He deserves an apology.
There is a lot to be learned from this place but you won’t last long if you close your mind to what others are saying. Attack arguments all you want but don’t personally attack posters or accuse them of something unless you have something to go by other than speculation.
Right, Beeble. He accuses Slicky of that. He thinks I’m Slicky. See?
About India: I’m dying to go there. I love a large variety of Indian cuisine and I play Cricket with some guys from India. I’m still a tad peeved (jk) that all those years I spent on a US Navy ship, the thing never docked in India!
About Indian cuisine: Remember that India is a subcontinent. There’s more than one cuisine there. Lumping it all together would be like lumping English and French cuisine together and considering them the same. Just like Europe and China, India also has much variety in the food. Another important thing for me, being vegetarian is that a good proportion of the cuisine (from whatever part of India) is veggie-friendly.
About language: One of my enduring hobbies is examining the scripts used in different languages. I’ve been trying for ages to learn the script for Hindi. No success yet (well, I got the first two letters memorized).
About bribery: I’ve no idea what the situation in India is like. The one time in my military career (when I was a passport/visa agent) that I had to deal with the Indian Embassy, it was easy but took a long time–the Embassy was understaffed. There was no demand for “help” like the Philippines Embassy wanted. “Help” of course would’ve been monetary. I didn’t pay and still got the agent’s official visa for him for the Philippines trip, but the embassy staff at that embassy were jerks about it. For the other agent’s India trip, the staff, although overworked and understaffed, were friendly and apologetic about the delay. All the other embassies I had to deal with, including Western European countries’ embassies, had a bevy of redundant rules. India, OTOH, was pretty straightforward. My guess is that the simpler the process is, the less room for corruption.
Prejudism there: Just like any other place, no doubt, there’s a percentage of people who can’t be bothered to look past one’s sex, one’s skin color, or one’s caste. I understand that’s getting better. However, India is by no means alone with that problem.
Culture: India has contributed much to the world. For that, I recommend you check out a good encyclopedia as there’s just too much to list here. Oh, and don’t forget that, like the cuisine, there’s more than one culture (language, religion, heritage, etc.) there.