Hey, Ms. Pollyanna!, leave it to the Thai girl to pick her own mate.
My GF and I don’t want to carry any stigma from prejudiced third parties, thank you very much.
That was my point.
I dunno if that is really the case. I’ve known some middle-class Thai folks, and they seemed to regard prostitution as a degrading activity (and the fact that Thailand is associated with prostitution as a big humiliation).
I suspect it is very much an aspect of a society being uprooted - namely, traditional Thai & hill-tribe rural society. According to these people at least, many of the “Thai prostitutes” are in fact basically rural girls trying to make it in the big city - away from their folks, they easily slip into the easy money, and basically lie to the folks back home about what they are doing.
Maybe it depends on which Thais you talk to. My impression is that in traditional Thai society, prostitution is considered degrading - albeit with a hefty double standard, as many Thai men allegedly visit prostitutes themselves.
It depends. Some Thais consider it degrading, some don’t think it’s a big deal. Many Thai girls return to the village once they start aging and don’t suffer any stigma from their previous profession if their fellow villagers know what they were doing, which they generally do. It’s very difficult to explain if you’ve never seen it.
As further evidence against the myth that the girls would work another job if one were available, I was talking to this one girl in Sheba’s Bar in Soi Cowboy the other night who is also a day cook in the German beer garden located in Sukhumvit Soi 11. Whether that was A cook or THE cook, I wasn’t sure, but she has a full-time day job that pays okay by Thai standards.
Usually, though, the ones with other jobs opt to freelance rather than work regular hours in a bar, but it’s not unheard of. I remember now this one girl from back in my wild and crazy youth, when I did indulge. I took her from a bar, and she had a day job as a bus conductor, the person you pay the fare to after boarding. This was long before the days of cellphones, and she didn’t have a phone in her apartment, so she gave me her work number. There was no phone on the bus, of course, but there was an office where they prepared for the day’s run. Someone always had to run and get her when I called in the morning. I don’t know what she ever told them about who I was; that we met on the bus, I guess, but they could very well have known about her night job.
So I was out in the Patpong bar area last night (Thursday night) – making sure the street protests have not disturbed the girls 
– and in the wee hours of this morning, I’m sitting at Cleo Beer Bar nursing a brew or three, and I get to talking to a fellow American, age 55. This guy was totally despondent, and one of the bargirls was trying to comfort him. The guy told me he had fallen completely head over heels in love with the bargirl’s friend, who works in another bar. He told me he simply couldn’t understand it: He had bought the girl a car, he bought her a house, but STILL she kept returning to work in the bar. The bargirl there and I both gave him somewhat similar advice. She told him he should take a step back and give her some space and see if she returns; I told him he should just cut his losses, move on to the next girl and not give any cars or houses to any more bargirls.
I finally left him to himself about 3:30 or 4am. Hopefully he’s not going to do the farang high-dive off a balcony like so many others, but he did seem a prime candidate. Man, it’s hard to believe these guys are real, but they are.
If he buys me a car and a house he can screw me. And I’m a guy.
NEVER buy a bargirl a house. Sometimes it’s dangerous even to buy your wife a house. I kid you not, but I know of one case in which this farang (Westerner) married a Thai girl who neglected to tell him she already had a Thai husband. The farang comes to Thailand two or three times a year and stays a couple of months each time. His wife stays here full-time. When the farang husband is away, the Thai husband moves in and enjoys the house. When the farang arrives, he moves out of the bedroom but stays around the house. The farang has been told the Thai man is the lady’s brother! As far as I know, this is still going on.
I’m slowly revising my opinion of these guys…it looks like Thailand attracts the stupid…or at least, thie ones not smart enough to leave in short order.
Bear in mind lots of normal guys come here. They just don’t stand out like the bizarre ones do.
I wonder if Thailand’s bar girls are quite so well-known as we like to think. I mean, I’ve seen enough reports on Thailand’s sex industry, but most of them focus more on the child-sex industry than on guys getting duped. I, for one, came across the more in-depth tales primarily through these boards (and Siam Sam specifically), which was after I visited Thailand. I went with a group of friends from school over Reading Week, and I certainly had no idea - not that it mattered for us, since we pretty much just hung out on the beach surrounded by pasty tourists all day, but it wasn’t on my radar. Ironically, I did run into it in Beijing, where apparently they haven’t got as much practice in subtlety.
Not that there aren’t guys who go there specifically for that, just that there are probably some who aren’t forewarned about young, pretty girls telling you they love you.
Not really; there are plenty of guys who come to drink piss and screw as many girls as possible. When I was teaching in Japan it wasn’t uncommon for foreign guys there to take a three day weekend, go to Pattaya and get thoroughly debauched, and be back at work on Monday: when you’re earning yen and spending baht, you can do an awful of of boozing and whoring. Most guys are sensible enough to regard it as a purely commercial, temporary transaction; you want some money, I want to have filthy sex with you, so maybe we can work something out, and it’s fine as long as you bear in mind that. It’s the guys who can’t see that what they’re doing is a financial transaction who get into trouble: they either fall hard for the girls because they’re cute and readily available and they mistake that for love, or even worse they want to “save” them: one of the best pieces of advice I got there was that you aren’t paying for the pussy, you’re paying to leave afterwards. Not that I have much sympathy for the cuntstruck: if you fall for a hooker who tells you you’re only the one, you deserve to get rooked.
Thailand got tired of the negative image and cleaned up the child-sex industry years ago, but the Western media still loves to play up that angle. Western pedophiles these days head for Cambodia if they’re smart (but admittedly, these tend not to be the brightest bulbs in the bunch anyway). Dallying with an underage girl in Thailand is extremely risky now. Even if it’s a rogue cop who suffers no moral outrage, he’ll take it as a prime bribe opportunity to shake you down, so they’re always looking out for that. Hotels, too; they’ll frequently call the police if they see you with anyone underage and get a cut of the bribe.
This is mainly regarding Westerners, though. The Western media does not care about Thais engaging in underage sex, only foreigners, so the police have not bothered to prosecute Thai males with children. Heaven help an idiot foreigner who decides to!
Bull.
I’ve witnessed tons of single-demensional supposed “real” relationships.
“Whole” people? Get off the crack pipe, please.
Well, were they healthy and functional?
What’s wrong with what she said?
For some reason, this thread feels like a good place to post this: Thai lady takes revenge on Thai husband’s infidelity. Has photos that ARE work-safe, but I do believe I detect some blood on the man’s pants.