Installing Windows for the first time in years

In the past, I’ve always taken linux or windows bashing with a grain of salt. I mean, in the OS war there are no winners.

About 3 years ago I switched all my home machines to Linux and I didn’t look back. Linux offered everything I needed. But recently I decided that I really should have one box for windows. I want to play the new Wizardry 8. I also have some music software that is windows only. (actually windows and mac, but who has a mac?).

Which windows should I install? Well, I have legit copies of win95 and 98 and 98se upgrade, so I opted for win98 with plans of upgrading it to 98se.

So begins the Ordeal of installing windows 98.
My machine: A p2-450 w/128M of ram. a nvidia TNT video card, a 3com 3c905 10/100 ethernet card and a sound blaster platinum live.

To make things ‘easier’ for windows, I fdisk’d my drive so I had only one large ass unformatted partition for windows to play with.

First the install. The install-setup made me reboot twice before asking me questions. Then I had to enter the CD key. No problem. And then I chose ‘normal’ install instead of custom because again, I wanted to make things ‘easier’ on windows. Another reboot and it’s coming up to the detect hardware.

Ethernet card, unknown.
Sound Card, unknown. (3 unknowns actually)
Video card, unknown.
Internal 56K modem. unknown.

So I had basic VGA, no sound and no network. Luckily, this wasn’t my first install of windows and in the past I had burned a CD with my ethernet drivers.

I got ethernet installed, reboot. I decide, like an idiot, that windows 98se upgrade is a good next step. I’m thinking that it might have some of the drivers for that came out shortly after 98 was released.

I start the win98se upgrade and when I get prompted for the cd key, it tells me that my cd key is invalid (and probably pirated). I type it in again 3 more times and nothing. Then I decide to try teh cd key I used in the install. Again, nothing.

MS Tech support interlude: “My cd key isn’t working for win98se.” “That happens. Read the key to me, I’ll verify it and give you some other keys to try.” reading of keys and he gives me litterally 10 more CD keys to ‘try’

It didn’t work. So fuq it. I’m not going to do the tech support schtick again.

Ok, I abort the upgrade. Now, I’ve only installed 98, my ethernet drivers and aborted a 98se upgrade. My system is running without sound and in 640x480 VGA mode. And suddenly I’m WAY unstable. Something from the ‘half assed’ 98se upgrade hosed something.

I start again.

This time I decide to screw the 98se upgrade. After all, all the important stuff should be on the windows upgrade site. And I decide to install ALL my drivers before heading out. Video drivers installed. Ethernet installed. Sound installed. Now when I boot, I get no ‘unknown device’ messages. The machine is slow and I’ve got no software installed. But I trudge onward. I hit windows update.
Since it has a ‘critical update’ I can only install that on its own. I can’t multi select. Fine. I need that so I get it and more rebooting. Head out to the upgrade site. No critical updates, but it strongly suggests I installed IE 6.0. I do, but when I select it it says that I cannot multi-select with IE 6.0. So I install it and more rebooting. Head out to the site again, more critical patches?!? Guess IE 6.0 breaks stuff. Get the patches, more rebooting. Start selecting things but when I hit DirectX 8.0 it says that it has to be installed alone so I uncheck everything else and get DirectX8.0. Install. Reboot. head out and select a bunch of piddly shit. Install, reboot.

In the end I had to reboot 13 times to get to a ‘base line’ win98 system.

This was a collasol pain in the ass. And each reboot takes a long time with ‘updating registry’ etc… In the end, it took me about 5 HOURS to go from an fdisk’d drive to a win98 patched system and I have broad band. I dont’ even want to think of what would have happened if I had only a dial up modem for those patches and system upgrades.

I sure hope Wizardry 8 makes this all worth while.

5 hours, 13 reboots? Sounds about right. I tried to get a PC that’s running Windows ME downgraded to 98, and it was not a pretty sight. Didn’t recognize my audio/video cards, network stuff, or modem, and that machine had no access to the Internet, so I couldn’t use the Update to download drivers. I ended up going back to ME and living with the occasional spontaneous reboot. Yay.

I think I’m buying XP for my birthday, but again, standalone PC. Yick.

sigh I had the same kind of exp. setting up a dual boot linux/win98 system. I had the fat32 partition after the 1024’th cylinder and win98 kept telling me ‘krnl386.exe could not find shell32.dll’ blink and every time I ran thru the win98 install, my ext2fs drive was corrupted when 98 ‘scanned’ the other partitions. I had the ext2fs partition FIRST because 1. Volkerding didn’t have the latest version of LILO on the damn slack 7.0 release 2. Just installing, I didn’t have the slightest clue a newer version of LILO would have supported a boot partition past 1024. SO I installed win95, which wouldn’t boot past 1024 with LILO either, but at least would install without corrupting the linux partition. So I got grub. Grub is cool :slight_smile:

Long story short:

  1. Install linux
  2. Install win98, corrupt linux partition, unable to boot win98 anyhow.
  3. Rinse and repeat with minor variations until head explodes.
  4. Install win95 and grub and swear that next time, you’ll become a debian whore.

What really boggles my mind is that I am a “computer person”. I run networks, I program, I build PCs etc… I used to use windows all the time before I was ‘converted’ :wink:

At any rate, I don’t see how a ‘normal’ person can stand this? I called my father who is defenitely NOT a computer person adn asked him if he used windows updates and he said “NO. It reformats everything.” and I of course was thinking ‘holy shit! it’s whacked his hard drive!’ but upon further investigation he means that it pops icons on his desktop or changes the look of his mail program and the like.

For these people, changing the position/location or the colour of a button makes apps useless as they’d need to be retrained. So my father won’t update his stuff anymore.

It’s exactly stuff like this that makes Mac users glad to be Mac users. :slight_smile: