International cricket rolling thread

Agree and disagree (if that is possible). I thought Root looked pretty good when he was out there. Khawaja seems to have almost as many chances as the Marsh’s and at his age I’m not sure his record is going to improve.

I watched Smith batting last night and the conditions were horrible so I believe he has had to play to the circumstances and now with the fall of wickets he can’t be too adventurous. I’ll be the first to admit I thought when he made his debut we’d see him in about six Tests as a leg spinner and then never hear of him again. Now he is up with the elite players but he is hard to watch.

Just following the score on ESPN and someone has stated that is seven consecutive Ashes 50’s for Smith. Pretty impressive Australia - would be an even worse team without him and the bowlers.

1-75 in the session is solid enough for AUS.
Next session will determine if a result is feasible.

Totally agree. Last few wickets could go very quickly but if Australia survive to tea, I think they will be in the best position if there is to be a winner. However the wicket seems to be a little more placid now so a draw seems likely in that scenario.

My goodness, Smith copped a dull one there. It looks worse with every replay.

“Retired hurt” wouldn’t have been on England’s list of ways to get Smith out. Seems like it was a great contest between him and Archer, but a bad way to end it. Hope he’s OK.

Yes it looked bad. I was somewhat disappointed with the lack of concern by the English players, but we had Thommo years ago (who I could never stomach).

From here I can only see an England win. Although my main concern is for the long term health of Smith.

English cricket followers, how good is Archer? I don’t follow cricket as much as I used to and will admit I hadn’t heard of him before the World Cup. His first class figures are very good and any player would be proud of them, but I wonder if the Fourth Estate aren’t going a bit overboard with him. Watching him bowl last night he was certainly fast (on a different tack it would make you wonder how todays players would face Trueman and Tyson (who I never saw) or Griffith and Hall (who I did see although past their best). That is without including Holding or Roberts- and without helmets).

Really? You can’t see England being turned over for another 30 runs and Aus chasing 130 handily?

Raining at the start of the day, though, which pushes the draw ever more likely. Eng being behind in the series may force a risky declaration, but I don’t see England scoring enough runs to allow enough time to realistically bowl Aus out.
The other test going on has finished with Sri Lanka chasing an impressive 268 to record their first points of the Test Championship, putting them in the lead! Captain’s knock of 122 by Karunaratne opening to see them through to shouting distance. It’s been a decent test match, and I thought overnight that New Zealand would take it.

Kane Williamson, though, 0 and 4. Rubbish, drop him!

I was going on the number of balls soaked up by the two at the crease overnight. With the drizzle around now I think it is more likely to favour England rather than Australia, but a draw is very much likely. You never know- Root may bat for 30 minutes and declare. With Smith doubtful and the rest of the batting so weak if the pitch starts playing tricks it could work.

And Smith ruled out and possibly from the next Test as well.

He has been replaced with Labuschagne, in the first use of the concussion replacement rules. This means Labuschagne can bat and bowl as needed, and Smith cannot return even if he feels better.

Stokes gave ENG the total they needed to defend but a session to much time was lost.
The draw was never really in doubt, the odd palpitation being therapeutic.

The series is played between two pretty average sides; the pitches so far aren’t conducive to batting but they are dry and not offering (generally) much bounce or lateral movement, the bowling is sound, the fielding is sub-par, the umpiring reprehensible and the batting is shite.

Which doesn’t mean it’s not absorbing Test cricket.

I can live with that. My bigger worry is that the nasty blow he took might affect his confidence at the crease. It’s happened in cricket before, and you see it in baseball too; a bad knock can really affect a player’s batting.

Agreed. There are a few real world-class players out there, but the two teams are not, on the whole, especially good.

I thought Labuschagne looked pretty good today, and he’s been scoring like crazy for Glamorgan. I’d be pretty happy if they dropped Warner. He hasn’t managed to score 20 total runs in four combined innings, and he also seems to have lost his ability to catch the ball.

A few years ago, there was much talk (in the UK) of the Big 4 in batting. This put Root in a bracket with Kohli, Smith and Williamson. It was always slightly generous to Root, but you could see a trajectory for him which would make it fair enough.

It’s a long way from true now, and this series has demonstrated it pretty clearly. Whether that’s captaincy pressure or whatever, England might have to accept that “our best batter” and “talismanic matchwinner” are not synonyms. I hope Smith continues to play this series - he’s the difference between the two sides*, and if England get a result by bringing Australia down to our level rather than raising ourselves to theirs that will be a little sad.

As things stand, Australia need just one win to retain the Ashes, and England need at least two wins and a draw to regain them. For contest purposes, the longer England can avoid losing, the better the series will be.

*For England, Anderson might have been, and Archer could be. But I don’t see a batter balancing the scales against Smith.

Been MIA for a bit - looking down the barrel of being made redundant will do that to you (redundancy seems almost a certainty, now I am just trying to a) find places for my team to land, rather than follow me out of the business and b) seeing if there are any jobs out there) - so I’ve not been really on top of this. Watched the bulk of Saturday and Sunday at Lord’s though.

In answer to the question of whether Archer is all he’s cracked up to be: I understand that the knee-jerk reaction from the press the minute someone new comes along and puts one or two good performances together can be exasperating, and inspires its own knee-jerk reaction that the guy can’t be that good. I think this is a special case though. Archer is clearly highly promising and has the potential to be the best fast bowler on the planet if this weekend is anything to go by. Close analysis of what he is doing is probably warranted to really get into why this might be the case, analysis that I myself am probably not capable of doing. This said, two things that seem really obvious to me.

First, the main question for England for the first match and the opening part of the second was “how are we going to get Smith out?” - no one looked capable of doing it. Even before he scalped Smith, even before he hit him on the elbow, Archer was giving Smith more trouble than all of the bowlers he had faced in the series thus far combined. Pace will do that for you, and his line, delivering from close to the stumps, is probing at worst - batsmen can’t get him away (look at his economy figures) and this in and of itself builds pressure. Then, second, the short ball. The most interesting thing about his bumper is that Archer appears to have no “tell” - Ravi Bopara explained over the weekend, that, having faced him in county cricket, his head doesn’t dip when he’s delivering the bouncer, so you can’t read it at the crease, you have to read it off the pitch. I’m not even convinced that his bumper is super accurate, it’s that batsmen have fractions of a second less to react, and consequently get pinned. He’s been playing international cricket since May - he’s already hit more than 10 batsmen.

He’s the most exciting pace bowler we’ve had in our side since Simon Jones (reverse swing at 90 mph? Yes please) and he got invalided out of the game before he could really have a massive impact. Smith is the best bat in the world and he’s the only one who stands chance of getting him out by the looks of things (notwithstanding the scrambled decision making that saw him pad up to Woakes on Saturday). It remains to be seen how good he will be - maybe he will prove to be a hype job, who can tell? But he is the fastest bowler we’ve had, possibly ever, and there’s stuff in his arsenal that says he’s going to be very good. He’s already our most important bowler - and in this series, against Smith, he’s the guy that could keep us in it. He needs to be looked after.

I say all this because it seems pretty clear Smith is the difference between these sides. Neither team can bat properly collectively. Even the big scores on England’s side have had a touch of fortune about them (although Stokes looked far better towards the end of his innings yesterday) and we are always moments away from collapse. Australia are not much better it seems. Australia are going to win this series, I think, especially if Smith is able to play. Without him, it could be closer, but I still take Australia’s attack over England’s as a collective and that will be where they win.

Saw nothing of the SL/NZ match. Good result for SL. Score wise very similar to the match at Lord’s except the chase seemed very easy for SL. Don’t know if anyone saw much of it to give us better idea beyond reading the scorecard? Lisiate?

Hope things turn out well for you Cumbrian, I’ve been there three times now and know how you feel, I realise I may be something of a Jonah though.

As far as the cricket goes. Archer seems a bit of a find. He looks to have an economical action that suggests long sessions are possible. He pulls out the bouncer and slower ball at will and good seam control. If he can find a little more movement he’ll border on the unplayable.

I’m anticipating England winning the toss this week and sending Australia in to face Archer, Broad and Anderson (ABBA?)

Three Test matches start today! NZ and Sri Lanka is underway after a delayed start, we’ve got match 3 of the Ashes in Leeds and later India are in the West Indies.

Will be a big test for this new age Aussie team.

The old adage about express pace bowlers is that “if you have ‘em, use ‘em … ‘cause if they have ‘em, they’ll use ‘em on you.”

So old school thinking would be to pick select Pattinson, Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc (let Lambruschagne bowl a couple of overs before the 2nd new ball) and bounce the fucking shit out of the Pommie bustards.

Cumbrian, I do hope things go well for you on the job market. And thanks for your thoughts about Archer. I recall Simon Jones and hell he was a talent. Sadly a lot of those seem to lead no where. I always thought Gary Gilmour was one of the most talented players Australia had but his liking for a drink was against him.

I expect England to win this Test unless it is totally rained out. Smith has been dominant for Australia and he is not playing.