I think we came to a general consensus that there was no correlation between travel and alignment, or travel and power, because either one would be pretty much game-breaking. So if travel is a null-tell, then there is no reason for Scum to not be truthful about it. Obviously we’re not absolutely certain, but I think there was general, in not necessarily unanimous, agreement on that subject.
I think it’s pretty much a given that there are power roles that need to travel in order to maximize the use of their abilities; for example, detective and doctor types who would need to travel in order to reach their intended targets. Whether or not there are people who are required to travel in order to use their abilities at all…I can imagine some roles where a person would initiate an action that wouldn’t take effect until they had traveled to the other city, but who knows if such roles are in use. And Cookies has provided us with a role that can affect gameplay in a foreign city without requiring travel at all.
In (almost) every game of Mafia there is discussion prior to the ‘official’ start of the game. And every time, it is understood that “nothing happens” before the mod actually calls a start to the game. Why would you think this game was any different?
Wow. I had a major net-split while typing up my post. Good thing I cached a copy.
What I intended to say was that IM not so valid opinion Scum may claim VT as well.
I meant to say that one of ALL the players starting in transit, including the set starting Wellington to London, would probably be Scum. As the sample size is only two, it would be utterly Gastard of the Mod to give us at the start a clear sub-group which is 50% Scum. But it is possible. So I consider this as no indication of Idle’s or Plankton’s sides.
I think I’m trying to say that the two cities can analyze the other city’s posts calmer than they can analyze their own. I keep going back and forth on whether this is all one game or two sub-games.
Now for my own analysis.
I think peeker’s vote in #303 is for almost no reason. Yeah, I’m suspicious of peeker’s vote. I’d like to see more explanation as to why. But there’s a bandwagon forming against em. Given my history with joining bandwagons – I usually get it wrong – I’ll be over here looking at other people for a while.
That’s all I’ve got for now. I’ll do some more reading and see what I can figure out.
You are quite correct. While difficult to give myself a wedgie, it is not impossible. it does appear to be impossible to tickle myself.
I have no plan of direction for the comments I made earlier. As I read through our Day, I just wanted to post my thoughts. We will see where those thoughts and others might lead me later on today when I’m home from work. I am feeling much much better today. I’m glad that I can at least ease your anxiety in that regard.
I have a power and I can’t travel, though technically my empowered extra vote travels via the underbelly of the interwebs. It will be difficult to convince me that there are not players who’s only power payload is the ability to travel and vote at another location. Again, this is based on what insight to the setup comes from having a traveling vote. It is not much of a stretch of the imagination to see how one extra vote can have a big impact for either side, and traveling to place such a vote also does not seem like a stretch. Especially if there are other players who either have and/or claim other powers but are apparently locked in one location, or power-house analyzers who are apparently locked in one location.
Just don’t underestimate the travel-just-to-vote mechanic, is all I’m sayin’.
OK but then it’s more a generic statement of ‘if you take five players one of them is likely scum’ (regardless of travel).
Pleonast has claimed (forced) traveler as well.
Do you get why your reason to vote Plankton doesn’t make much sense? That he was in travel because the moderator but him there and not by taking some action himself and lying about it (what motivation has he to do that)? Why did you ignore the explanations of it?
So it was not related to Plankton at all anymore?
I might as well give Scuba his bandwagon: Vote peeker
Yes, I functionally described the Dual Citizen. I forgot it was listed as a sample role and thought people still might be having a hard time swallowing it because we have one claimed and one flipped but the flip didn’t refer to the the mechanics of the role. Which is moot because there is a sample role that I forgot about.
Peek has moved from trying to discern the detail of the setup to being distracting and, I think, intentionally sidetracking us. For me, that is good enough for a Day One vote.
However, I think London needs to take a good look at Drain Bead. I still think her attempt to characterize people as coming out guns-blazing was wrong and potentially quite scummy.
Sorry to have not posted as much as I usually do in games, I’ve been rather sick the last two days (and still ongoing).
I have to say that Peeker is looking like the best vote since he’s making noises about the travelers possibly lying in some way. Since that includes me and I know I’m not lying, I couldn’t even begin to guess at his motives for wanting to cast suspicion.
as usual the participants on this board go for a townie. i don’t know that this helps or hurts but the following is my pm. btw, i think it was on idles’s board that the oine sure scum tell was to vote for moi when i am town because for some reason that seems to be a real easy out.
You are Peter.
Citizenship: New Zealand and United Kingdom
Win Condition: Arrest all members of the International Crime Ring
You emigrated to New Zealand over 20 years ago, but still have ties to your city of birth, London. Your twin brother, Rufus (Astral Rejection), still lives in London. Despite the distance separating you, you know for a fact that Rufus is not a criminal.
You are not eligible to travel.
You begin the game in Wellington, New Zealand. *
and i guess it’s kind of par for the course. two of my favorite players are story and sach (i still like story better so don’t get a big head sach). so to bust out early on their games is kind of not unexpected.
Ok fine. But I’m voting for him for the little magic bag he dangled after I claimed that he has yet to make good on, just to show that I’m a unique snowflake.
and sach just so you know i thought emigrate and immigrate were basically synonomous and was primarily regional or cultural. but now i see that there is truly a distinction.
Unfortunately I don’t think looking at your voters is going to be very fruitful for scum-hunting, though justification analysis may get closer to the mark.
I was hoping that **peeker **might come back and try explaining himself again, but since he hasn’t, I’ll go ahead and
vote peeker
as well. I can understand being confused about the unusual setup of this game, but I think he’s gone well beyond ‘confused’ and is now into ‘deliberately obtuse’ territory.
A couple other items from Today that have caught my notice:
This is similar in tone to what peeker has been doing all day (which is probably why it rubbed me the wrong way)…it was pretty plainly pointed out in the setup and in the opening post how this game works. The reason that nobody is In Transit today seems quite clear to me: it’s because nobody in Wellington chose to travel last Night. I don’t see Scuba_Ben feels a need to “Blame the Mod” for anything…
**Natlaw **seems to want Idle and I to divulge information, while not expecting the same from anyone else. I understand that we are the only two players known to have any sort of travel ability at this point, but I don’t like the idea that because of the setup of the game, we are expected to behave differently than everyone else. If Natlaw wants a mass-travel-plan claim, then he should say so, but I don’t link being singled out (doubled out?) for special treatment.
And of course the one time I forget to check for new posts on preview, I miss peeker’s claim…gimme a couple minutes to read through things and I’ll be back…
neta: and i did consider redacting astral’s name from my post in order to give him some cover. but shoot, since he is not scum i figured if you folks to decide to go through with this at least he is confirmed and IF their is a dick in london you don’t have to waste investigating him.
btw, you could of course decide not to lynch my ass and then i will be confirmed town when london Day breaks and either he is dead and disclosed to be rufus or he can confirm me.
so yeh, basically you folks are lynching a mason. way to go straight dope mafia players.
