International Mafia

[USCDiver]

@Suburban_Plankton

And while I’m here:

**vote USCDiver
**
I’ll be the first to admit, I don’t have much of a case. I’ve been going over the Day 1 posts of all the people I don’t consider ‘likely confirmed’, and the only thing that sticks out for **USCDiver **is his “me too” vote on Natlaw. And I do mean that’s the only thing. He seemed to cruise through Day 1 without saying anything of substance at all. So my case here is more or less ‘vote the lurker’.

I can’t argue with your ‘reasoning’ here except to say this has always been my play style, particularly early in the game.

@special_ed

<snipped>
I’ll check back in the AM. I’d lie to see if anyone has any thoughts on my comments. I hate being so suspicious of someone who claims an investigative role, but I am.

Here’s my thoughts:

How does Cookies’ choice of voting call her alignment into question? She voted here for Natlaw and she has made votes in London for highly suspicious players. The fact that the other players there have managed to have two near-ties and for some reason seemed to have forgotten to even address **Cookies **Yesterday doesn’t seem to have anything to do with her alignment in my eyes.

I don’t even understand what you wrote about Normal. I can’t parse that out.

Your thoughts on me are about right.

You are waffling so much on **Suburban’s **claim, I can’t even tell where you’re coming down at the end and I don’t like it.

vote special ed

@Normal_Phase

Also, about SP, llynching a non-Pleo scum wouldn’t change the argument for considering staying.

I agree. Suburban, you may be able to do the most good by sticking around Wellington and re-counting Tonight. You’ll basically get a specific, non Godfathered investigation of Pleonast.

[Suburban_Plankton]

I’d consider staying here to do another investigation Tonight, but I can’t. My PM states “You may not repeat the survey of a City until you have surveyed the other City.” So right now I’m effectively Vanilla until I travel again.

I’m going to take another look at special ed, especially after he keeps popping in to say how scummy I look and then not placing a vote on me.

[USCDiver]

@Suburban_Plankton

I’d consider staying here to do another investigation Tonight, but I can’t. My PM states “You may not repeat the survey of a City until you have surveyed the other City.” So right now I’m effectively Vanilla until I travel again.

Oh yeah.

[peekercpa]

tortured post holidays musings.

if we are to believe burby then that makes me even doubly suspicious of pleo. it would seem like the resources would have been spread out more evenly so having a scum pleo sent out as reinforcement would make sense from an initial game set up stand point. but it would also make sense for a scum burby to be the scum to even it out while giving him a role that would naturally cast doubt on a fellow traveler based on his results. plus it gives him free rein to travel about as he pleases. or burby could just be full of it and scum anyways.

[Suburban_Plankton]

@peekercpa

tortured post holidays musings.

if we are to believe burby then that makes me even doubly suspicious of pleo. it would seem like the resources would have been spread out more evenly so having a scum pleo sent out as reinforcement would make sense from an initial game set up stand point. but it would also make sense for a scum burby to be the scum to even it out while giving him a role that would naturally cast doubt on a fellow traveler based on his results. plus it gives him free rein to travel about as he pleases. or burby could just be full of it and scum anyways.

You always say the nicest things…

A belated Merry Christmas to you peeker…you’re never going to be able to get away from me now…

[sachertorte]

T36:00 post# 612
Pleonast(1): [del]Normal Phase(620-648)[/del] peekercpa(624) [del]Normal Phase(679-680)[/del]
Suburban Plankton(3): Idle Thoughts(627) Mahaloth(631) [del]Normal Phase(648-679)[/del] Scuba_Ben(654)
NAF1138(0): [del]Scuba_Ben(645-654)[/del]
USCDiver(1): Suburban Plankton(671)
special ed(3): [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(675-676)[/del] ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies(678) Normal Phase(680) USCDiver(681)

[Mahaloth]

**Unvote
**
I believe the claim, frankly.

[Mahaloth]

1. Attention, London! If there is a Protector there, protect me! I assume this is the end for me if you don’t, since I’m the Cop over here and am targeted for death by the scum team!!!

2. Idle’s vote strikes me as the weakest and by hanging a lantern on its weakness, I think it’s a reasonable scum tactic.

Vote Idle

@special_ed

Pleonast: sigh. I dislike his early claiming. I do wish he’d see how it impacts the town in a negative fashion. But then, I don’t expect him to.

Of course he won’t. Why would he consider Town in a game?

[peekercpa]

@Suburban_Plankton

You always say the nicest things…

A belated Merry Christmas to you peeker…you’re never going to be able to get away from me now…

no probs and if you note i am voting for pleo currently. but to some extent this is like when you were a vig on idle’s board. hey, i believe you but at some point you have to go. now preferably i’d be inclined to give you a couple of cycles so that we can have some data points to be analyzed depending on how you flip (or you flip scum and we ignore everthing you said).

but if you are telling the truth then your shelf life is going to be extremely limited.

[peekercpa]

@Mahaloth

1. Attention, London! If there is a Protector there, protect me! I assume this is the end for me if you don’t, since I’m the Cop over here and am targeted for death by the scum team!!!

2. Idle’s vote strikes me as the weakest and by hanging a lantern on its weakness, I think it’s a reasonable scum tactic.

[COLOR=“Blue”]Vote Idle[COLOR]

Of course he won’t. Why would he consider Town in a game?

<bleached>

first, how the hell do you know that we don’t have a doc over here? how the hell do you know you have been targeted by scum?

second, why do you think idle is scummier than a person that you characterize as not considering town in their actions (pleo)?

[Suburban_Plankton]

After my reread on special ed:

Some observations in (hopefully) chronological order…

He questions Scuba_Ben’s Post 260 about “being objective” regarding folks in the other City, but he seems to misinterptet what Ben was saying.

He questions Mahaloth’s statement in Post 290, saying it “seems to imply that traveling might give away powers”. Really Maha was saying that requiring travelers to state whether they were forced or not might imply powers.

Some other statements he made Yesterday:

“Natlaw brings up the topic of claiming traveling abilities. I seem to remember London discussing risk/benefits to this. Have we formed an opinion?”

“are we certain that the ICR have no incentive to lie? Did I miss something?”

“Normal’s post 287 is still a good analysis of the flaws in Mahaloth’s thinking. It’s not a really strong Scum tell.”

“I still don’t agree with Scuba Ben regarding our ability to be objective about the Londoners…It almost makes it seem like we shouldn’t hold a Wellington person accountable for what they say about a Londoner. I don’t think that’s what Scuba Ben meant, but it’s how it struck me.”

“I understand the process that Cookies is claiming happened with her vote. I don’t much like it. Her motivations and her actions don’t quite seem to mesh.”

“I saw Mahaloth’s vote and I thought it was odd that he voted after the claim. But I don’t think it is enough to vote Mahaloth for now.”

And Today:

@special_ed

@Normal_Phase

unvote
vote: Suburban Plankton

Beginning to become too much of a pattern of pushing on strong claims.

I’m agreeing with you.

Not ready to vote yet. I need to spend some time looking back at the game so far. If I’m reading the schedule correctly, we have until Tuesday the 28th for this Day. I have family obligations that will be occupying me today and tomorrow.

And Post 674 where he casts dispersions on half the City.
Lots and lots of questions, not many answers, and quite a bit of mud being flung about. And yet through it all, the only person he has felt strongly enough to cast a vote on was Scuba_Ben…in a late vote Yesterday after things had pretty much been decided. His reasoning there was “Natlaw and Normal have made the point tht Scuba’s comment that a Vanilla claim is weak…it just seems like his action, while more subtle, is also more likely to have Scum motivations behind it. It’s almost a desire to cast suspicion on anyone who claims Vanilla.” It seems rather odd that of all the scummy behavior he’s pointed out, the only thing worth voting on is a subtle comment that vanilla claims are weak.

[Suburban_Plankton]

@Mahaloth

1. Attention, London! If there is a Protector there, protect me! I assume this is the end for me if you don’t, since I’m the Cop over here and am targeted for death by the scum team!!!?

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Getting a bit pushy here, aren’t we? Do you think that the folks in London are incapable of figuring out who they should protect?

Also (and on preview I seem to be echoing **peeker **here),

Who do you assume there’s no Doc here in Wellington?

Also, why should we be certain that *you *have been targeted by Scum? **Cookies **has an extra vote, **peeker **is a Mason, **I **have investigative powers, and there may be other Powers here that the Scum might know about (if, for example, they’ve had Night actions blocked here). It seems that you’re pushing really hard to make sure that you, and nobody else, gets protected Tonight.

[Mahaloth]

@Suburban_Plankton

Who do you assume there’s no Doc here in Wellington?

Also, why should we be certain that *you *have been targeted by Scum? **Cookies **has an extra vote, **peeker **is a Mason, **I **have investigative powers, and there may be other Powers here that the Scum might know about (if, for example, they’ve had Night actions blocked here). It seems that you’re pushing really hard to make sure that you, and nobody else, gets protected Tonight.

1. I am talking to the Doc over there because the protection is probably a Night action and it is Night there. I have to put my investigation targets in during Night here.

2. I’m a target because I’m the Cop and that is a powerful role.

3. I do want to do my best to make sure I’m protected. Duh?

[special_ed]

[quote=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies;13293404

Re-reviewing things from Wellington’s first Day, something that I noticed (while trying to review my play for signs of defensiveness) was how many times I had to explain what I had done to apparently satisfy Ed’s need for clarification. The paranoid part of me wondered at the time if it could be a way to cause a distraction. I’d be be busy with explaining myself and not scum-hunting, and anyone reading the game would have to read things redundantly. [/quote]

That was mostly because of my real life issues. The flu-like whatever I had really knocked the stuffing out of me, and the semester was ending and so work was taking what little enregy I could for the game.

I asked for clarification from you, and now that appears Scummy?

[special_ed]

@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

Ok aside from the brainfart at the opening of the previous vote post, the rest was what I actually meant to say.

Apologies.

And you are coming across as very defensive at this point.

[special_ed]

@Normal_Phase

unvote
vote: Special Ed

Comments on Cookies, me and Scuba all feel off. (Regarding his last post.)

Also, about SP, llynching a non-Pleo scum wouldn’t change the argument for considering staying.

my comments feel “off”? Nice was of not saying anything. All while snuggling 2 others.

Also, why doesn’t it make sense for SP to move if he’s being honest? He could Identify how many Scum are in the other group, and if no one travels in the interim, we’ll have solid pools in which to lynch and or stop lynching in.

[special_ed]

@USCDiver

You are waffling so much on **Suburban’s **claim, I can’t even tell where you’re coming down at the end and I don’t like it.

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So, now because I can’t decide if I want to lynch the vote leader or not, I’m scummy?

Yes, I was waffling. Yes, I can’t be sure.

it’s an odd claim. If true, it’s very powerful for Town. However it looks on one hand to be too powerful for Town, would that power be included? I mean look at it. If we lynch a Scum here in Wellington, we’ve just confirmed everyone else here! My goodness, everyone who can travel then goes over to London and we can perhaps seal the game over there too. Especially when we find out how many Scum are there, (if he lives). And Mahaloth can keep investigating thereby confirming more and/or finding the Scum!
So, because I actually looked at how powerful the role is, how unconfirmable, and am left with doubts, I must be Scum.

Don’t be an idiot.

If you’re honestly believing the claim without hesitation, that should be a better sign of Scumminess

[special_ed]

@Suburban_Plankton

I’d consider staying here to do another investigation Tonight, but I can’t. My PM states “You may not repeat the survey of a City until you have surveyed the other City.” So right now I’m effectively Vanilla until I travel again.

I’m going to take another look at special ed, especially after he keeps popping in to say how scummy I look and then not placing a vote on me.

I said I was coming back.

How come you posted without commenting on what I thought?

Doesn’t your role strike you as incredibly powerful and completely unconfirmable?

Shouldn’t that give me pause?

[special_ed]

OK, since everyone seems willing to believe Suburban’s very powerful claim then let me make suggestions for after I’m arrested:

1. Allow him to travel to London and get one investigation in over there.
2. Arrest anyone who travels away from London in the interim.
3. Arrest him after getting his results to confirm them.
4. Use the maths to figure out how many Scum are in each pool and arrest until you’ve got them all.
5. Hopefully arrest the Scum in Wellington before Mahaloth gets killed.
6. Allow Mahaloth to continue investigating over there until you kill the Scum or have enough confirmed Town over tehre.
7. Arrest Mahaloth after getting the last Scum here to confirm his results.

[special_ed]

Oh, heck, it’s even better.

If Mahaloth and Cookies are both Town, and Suburban is tellling the truth, then the remaining Scum here has to kill both of them in order to be sure that the Scum win.

Mahaloth can keep investigating them, and if Cookies lives over here and is confirmed, she can effectrively kill off overyone over there and assure a Town win.

I no longer mind dying, if we believe Suburban.
However, since I don’t, I do have issues with dying at this point.