Interracial Couples: Why not 50-50 WF/BM and BF/WM?

I don’t have any census cite in front of me, but it seems that with interracial couples they are significantly more likely to be white female and black male than to be black female and white male. Why, from a sociological/cultural perspective?

I did see a census page that showed (as of 1998) that the ratio of white wife/black husband to black wife/white husband was almost 2:1. This doesn’t include non-married couples though.
(I will be pissed if I’m labeled a racist just for asking a question. I’m just pointing out what seems to be different from what would be expected (50-50 split)).

I have no explanation, I just wanted to agree with you. I was wondering about this a couple of days ago. I have only seen one couple that was wm/bf. It does seem very rare.

IIRC this issue and related aspects has been addressed before in either IMHO or GD so a search there may yield some information. This is really more of an IMHO forum type question as I don’t think there are concrete answers as to the “Why?” issue.

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http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=41557

Piecing together stats from various polling data and surveys, I have come up with figures that say of all interracial couples in the U.S. (5% of all relationships) that the most common mixture was Non-Hispanic White/Hispanic Origin (52%), 2nd was White/Asian (19%), White/Native American (12%), White/Black (9%), and all others (7%)

And yes, that is 99%.

Another survey of attitudes taking by a polling group (Henry J. Kaiser Foundation sponsored it and reported the results on July 5 of this year.) said that in all interracial pairings, men were more likely to want to go out with someone of a different racial group than women of the same racial group. The only exception was with Asians.

The Census Bureau estimates that in 2000 there were 2 million White/Hispanic couples, 700,000 White/Asian couples, and 450,000 Black/White couples.

I can tell this is heading straight for IMHO.

But to address the OP: principally because of our cultural standards of beauty.

Now don’t mistake this as my personal standard of beauty, but North American males are generally conditioned to prefer skinny blondes and fair-skinned brunettes and even fairer redheads. These are the pinnicles of fashion, and they even creep over into black culture. Look at Destiny’s Child - every one of the three of them have straightened their hair.

Generalization Alert! Black women, as a group, have a much harder time achieving these standards than white women, as a group.

That probably explains the deficit of BF/WM couples more than anything else. I know several BF/WM couples, and in none of them does the woman go very far to look like the white female… in fact, one of them has that new skinny braid thing going, that (mysteriously) I’ve NEVER seen on a white woman, and it’s very sexy. (Another observation, though - none of the wives are overweight… they’re all either stick thin, or very athletic.)

As for other factors that weigh in on the wf/bm side: taboo. There was a Non Sequitor cartoon just the other day, with a couple standing on a curb next to a sign reading “No Chainsaw Juggling” and the man says, “suddenly I feel the urge to juggle chainsaws.”

Black men have been ostracized, harassed, and even lynched for dating white women. Due to simple human nature, this just makes the white woman more attractive to many black men, rather than less.

And there’s the “prize” element. Some black men seek the trophy white woman to inflate their status among their peers.

And of course there’s the legendary stereotype of the, ahem, endowment of black men. I recall that the few reliable studies that exist showed that it’s generally a myth, except that the extreme high end of the distribution was dominated by subjects of African descent.

There are a lot of reasons that seldom occur in isolation, and others that may or may not even be conscious on the part of either person.

As the son of a white woman who remarried a black man, I spent a lot of time in my youth immersed in southern black culture, and to this day I find many black women very attractive physically, even more so today. It just seems that there are very few who meet my standards for education and (err… umm… treading on thin ice here) levelheadedness that aren’t already married.

In general, I think you’re going to notice the WF/BM - BF/WM disparity disappear in the next decade or two, as we continue to integrate our society more and homogenize our cultures.

I should also note that this disparity receives a lot more attention in black culture than it does in white culture. I have encountered a few very vocal black women who are insulted that they have been passed over by individuals who dated or married white women. They often complain that the “best” black men are marrying white women. Years ago I knew of black men who were insulted on a “racial solidarity” level that their “brothers” were marrying white women, but that seems to have pretty much disappeared. I seldom hear anyone white anymore complain about interracial couples, except people who are already racist assholes to begin with.

And if anyone worried about any threats to your available dating pool of white women or black men, don’t sweat it - the proportion of interracial couples to intraracial couples is on the scale of 1000-1 or even more.

And besides, if that person you are attracted to is in turn attracted to someone who is so different from you it makes you jealous or uncomfortable, then perhaps he or she would never have been interested in you in any case, even if there were no races. Let go of it and move on.

It appears to me that the split is getting closer to 50-50, though it’s certainly not there yet. From the early '80s to the early '90s I saw one (1) WM-BF couple. Since then I’ve seen easily a dozen. Over the same period of time the number of BM-WF couples did not change that I noticed.

As to why the uneven split occurs in the first place, I have no idea.

I had this discussion with a black woman I dated for a few weeks. (No, it wasn’t race that ended it.) She attributed the rarity of WM/BF relationships to the following:

  1. Media and peer pressure. There is a lot of peer pressure and competition among black women to “find a good black man.” A magazine catering to black women will almost always have an article with tips on landing a man, who is specifically black. Sometimes, articles will mention something along the lines of “you don’t have to resort to a white man for stability.”

  2. The Sally Hemmings factor. Among many educated black women, tghe thought of dating a white man is taboo because they equate it to a “master-slave” relationship, with the white man as the master. Why they interpret all WM/BF relationships like this, I don’t know, but I would feel uncomfortable engaging in bondage play with a black woman.

  3. It’s all Opal’s fault.

  4. The gurkin stereotype. Just as many whites believe black men are unusually well endowed as a whole, black women believe that white men cannot sexually satisfy them. White men can’t jump and can’t dance, so certainly don’t have the moves in the bedroom.
    Skin color? Hair? “White standards of beauty?” To many white men I’ve discussed the issue with, that’s not the issue. It’s fear of rejection – they know how black women feel about interracial dating, so they don’t even bother trying. If there is one physical feature that dissuades white men from pursuing black women more, it’s that there seems to be a disproportionately large percentage of overweight and obese black women, compared to white women.

I have known many, many educated black women and I have never heard of this taboo. But I can understand it in the context of black culture 30 years ago. Today, though, in at least half of the WM/BF couples I know, the female is the dominant partner!

Do you mean as the top or as the bottom?

Make sure you have a safety word arranged first! :smiley:

hmmm…

now, i don’t know how this fits in, but…

more black women then black men (as a percentage) attend third level education.

thus, if a black woman with a college education wishes to have a relationship with a man of SIMILAR education, and this is more important to her than his race, she is more likely to be in a relationship with a white man.

there are not enough college educated black men for all the college educated black women.

so…maybe the bm/wf is the flip side of the wm/bf that the educational imbalance produces.

It may be unpleasant to hear, but black men are sometimes motivated by a desire to marry up while white men might be seen as marrying down. Of course, that’s if you view society strictly through a Jim Crow racial prism. Most people would also look at education, family money, achievement, looks, values, sexual appeal, manners, breeding, etc.

White racism determined the pattern. When a white woman married into the Black community, she was accepted. If a Black woman tried to marry into a white community, she would have been ostracized. I think America is finally getting over this hangup, Deo volente.

I work in a small company that has about 16 people. Two of them are white gentlemen married to Black ladies. One is an NM Hispano married to a white lady. And Mrs. Mojo is from India.

This subject was also treated in White Men-African Women which includes a couple of links to outside (non-SDMB) views on the subject.