Interracial Dating....Try it...you'll like it

[hapaXL]

*Originally posted by goboy *
A. I stopped posting to the other thread because you refused to listen to opposing viewpoints.

my bad. i guess i gave you too much credit. i thought you had the dignity to bow out of that one after i had confounded your elitist assumption and made you look foolish.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=55784

**and you certainly aren’t shy about making generalizations based on race (white people invented racism). **

i am going to assume that you didn’t bother to read the last 15-20 posts here on this very topic. i’m going to make that assumption because it prevents me from thinking that you’re stupid beyond belief. In your bizarre little world, i guess i’m also sexist (warning! generalization based on gender: “women have soft skin”), ageist (“children are innocent”) and homophobic (“gay people often endure difficult childhoods”). you must be captain of the Logic Team.

** I take the charge of racism very seriously, and I believe that you are a racist. **

i take your charge of racism very seriously, and i believe that you are a moron. (Moderators: am i allowed to go off when i’m provoked like this? Have any of you found my views to be racist?) Why aren’t people jumping all over me like they usually do to racists on this board? I urge anybody reading this to find anything remotely racist in my last response to Freedom.

** Certainly your last reply to Freedom indicates that you believe racial identity to be the most important aspect of self-determination.
**

come on over to reality whenever you’re ready. yes, yes, YES! to many people, racial identity is the most important aspect of self-determination. to many people, gender is the most important (damn sexism acting up again). for other folks, sexual identity is #1 (why must i hate homosexuals like this?!). how this supports your claim of my racism is beyond perhaps anybody’s understanding. you’re digging a pretty deep hole here.

** C. It is obvious that racism is alive and well in America, but in an age where a half black/half Thai golfer can be a beloved celebrity, where a poor black woman ca grow up to be a media mogul, and where there are no legal bars to intermarriage or access to public facilities, to claim that racism and “white standards of beauty” prevent progress is laughable. **

This is my favorite part. If i can sum up for you: racism is “alive and well” but to claim that racism prevents progress is laughable. hmm. could i rephrase that as, “racism exists but to claim it exists is laughable?” is this a quantum thing? oh yeah, i should tell you, people of color really love the “hey, he made it, why can’t you” line of thinking. it’s fresh, innovative, and none of us have ever heard it before. tell it to every Black homeless guy you meet. better yet, loan him your golf clubs and tell him, “you are Tiger Woods!” he’ll be on the road to millions in no time!

** No, I would never tell you how to self-identify, but when you call yourself a person of color, you get to revel in your victim status. **

who’s reveling? did i ever once mention portray myself as a victim? no. do i think that people are victims of racism? yes, but i guess thinking that makes me a racist, right?

** By ignoring your dad’s side, you get to forget that you are also one half hated oppressor. **

Who’s ignoring?

i can only conclude that you are pre-judging my posts. you’ve decided i’m a racist. you read my posts, ignoring examples, evidence and scenarios (how many times can i say, “this might happen” and get dogged for it?). instead, you latch upon a few phrases or word choices that you rob of context so you can play word games and use logic tricks of the kind examined above, only to return to your original conclusion: i’m a racist.

are you satisfied now? i have listened to your “opposing viewpoint.” too bad it’s mostly nonsense.

[Jodi]

Jeez, COLLUNSBURY, you routed me, and, despite the suspicions of others, I’m not too big (or too small) to admit it. Actually, as in love with citation as I am myself, your post would have given me a big ol’ woody if I were built that way. I promise to read up on the issue before presuming to wade in again.

That doesn’t change my point, however, which is that by continuing to blame racism and all the problems attendant to it on white people, HAPA is doing a disservice to all people, and appears (IMO) to be more concerned with placing blame for this issue rather than combatting it.

HAPA –

i take your charge of racism very seriously, and i believe that you are a moron. (Moderators: am i allowed to go off when i’m provoked like this? Have any of you found my views to be racist?)

Well, I’m not a moderator, but based on other Rulings From On High in this forum, my guess is no, you’re not justified. If you want to call names, you’re supposed to take it to the Pit. Since at least DAVID B. is apparently following along, maybe he’ll give you the Word on it. And, yes, I for one other have found your views to be racist. I’m sorry and I hope you realize that I am not calling you a racist personally, but I have found your views in this thread to be racist. (A fine line, you might say, but there it is.)

[system]

*Originally posted by Jodi *
Jeez, COLLUNSBURY, you routed me, and, despite the suspicions of others, I’m not too big (or too small) to admit it. Actually, as in love with citation as I am myself, your post would have given me a big ol’ woody if I were built that way. I promise to read up on the issue before presuming to wade in again.

Sorry, I may have gone overboard. I’m told I have that problem. My participation is however limited to the theoretical question since white hood boy seems to have left.

That doesn’t change my point, however, which is that by continuing to blame racism and all the problems attendant to it on white people, HAPA is doing a disservice to all people, and appears (IMO) to be more concerned with placing blame for this issue rather than combatting it.

Frankly, I think the conversation has ceased to be productive and ceased to be a Great Debate. Hapa has certain personal issues on this topic. I respect that. I do think there is a lot of talking past one another here. A bit of cooling off and checking one’s terms probably would be helpful.

Anyway, I have to get to bed.

(PS: Freedom, I forgot to mention the context of Patterson’s book: Freedom Don’t know if you know of it at all, if not it is an examination of the dynamic of un-freedom and freedom in Western society in the creation of our modern idea of freedom. Patterson posits that extreme unfreedom was required for the idea of freedom to be elaborated. I thought you might find this interesting insofar as the author is not using this approach to tear down our modern idea of Freedom --in fact he is clearly an admirer, but to talk about how such things develop.)

[hapaXL]

*Originally posted by Collounsbury *
Frankly, I think the conversation has ceased to be productive and ceased to be a Great Debate. Hapa has certain personal issues on this topic. I respect that. I do think there is a lot of talking past one another here. A bit of cooling off and checking one’s terms probably would be helpful.

i mostly agree with you here and i apologize for beating the dead horse–it’s mostly a symptom of work boredom and not an obsessive need to have the last word, i assure you.

i had pretty much given up on this “debate” until Freedom said this:

Originally posted by Freedom
**WTF is he supposed to do? Is he supposed to run around feeling connected to America’s founding fathers and past heros? Or is he supposed to wallow in the victimhood of the slaughter America committed in the Philippenes years ago? Or maybe he should claim his identity from one of my other relatives who came from Europe.
**

now we’re getting somewhere. i hope you can see Freedom that i wasn’t trying to say that you’re destined to have troubles with your child. it’s just that your attitude from the earlier post was rather absolute (we’ve never thought about it and we refuse to!) and i have seen (from experience) that can lead to problems. obviously we’re different people and i’m not trying to force any parenting technique on you. all i’m asking is for you to give it some thought. i think the paragraph above is a great start.

and actually, i get along really well with my father. i wish you similar success with your children.

[Freedom]

Collunsbury…

You’re killing me:)
I have a list 6 books long now. Now 6 books isn’t the end of the world…but let me catch up before you bury me any further:)
Hapa…

I actually think I’m going to be a great dad to my sons. I’m going to teach them tolerance, independence and respect. I think that race is the issue I fear the least.

I do think I may have a problem with sexism though, as I plan to bribe them over to my way of thinking by letting start dating at 9, teaching them the ins and outs of dating, buying them cool cars and letting them party as late as they want to.

I’m not having girls.

::leaving the thread quickly::

[Tranquilis]

Stuck my head in here and thought I was in the Pit for a second.

white boy in the…
Not impressed. Get back in here and defend your position, please.

hapaXL…
Less impressed. Give it a rest, you keep on going over the same ground, and it wasn’t all that firm in the first place.

Esprix
You really rock…!

[gobear]

Thanks, HapaXL, for demonstrating my point about your not listening. I’m walking away from this one. If you choose to believe that it’s because you have me wriggling in the iron
grip of your irrefutable logic, feel free. :rolleyes:

[David_B]

[Moderator Hat: ON]

hapaXL said:

i take your charge of racism very seriously, and i believe that you are a moron. (Moderators: am i allowed to go off when i’m provoked like this?

Absolutely not!

I already warned one person in this thread about insulting others – I don’t know why you would think that you’re special or above those same rules. If you feel you must insult somebody, take it to the Pit. Or else keep it to yourself.

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David B, SDMB Great Debates Moderator

[Moderator Hat: OFF]

[Cyn]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by hapaXL *
******, here’s a little something i found on the web **"

Nonetheless, interracial couples represented only about 2% of married couples in 1990, and interracial and intergroup marriages only 4%. Non-Hispanic whites and non-Hispanic blacks were proportionately the least likely to marry outside their group, the analysis reveals, with more than 95% of these whites and 92% of these blacks marrying within their own group. Only 68% of Asians or Hispanics and only 25% of American Indians had married within their groups.

So if Drachillix decides to marry a white woman in accordance to statistics, what choice will I have but to follow that old maxim----if you love something, let it go. If it returns to you, it is yours to keep. If it doesn’t return, it never was yours and you are then free to hunt it down and kill it.