Five minutes more for dousing a woman on crutches with petroleum and setting her on fire…
Maybe 2 minutes for shooting two policemen?
Voilà.
Not hard work at all. And perfectly acceptable to do if you live in a not so rich environment.
My granddad did it all the time when he was unemployed and living in a banlieu. :rolleyes:
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Or maybe the other way round: Muslims aren’t seen as really French because they dont want to see themselves as French–they want to be Muslims *
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You got it in one.
Germany
Tsk, tsk.
All those poor muslims. All in the same position everywhere, huh.
Not a chance in hell that a non-muslim might live in the exact same conditions and don’t set cars and PEOPLE on fire, huh.
Of course it’s not evidence of anything. But perhaps, in light of one of the incidents which started the whole she-bang – the alleged firing of a gas-canister into a Mosque, perhaps it is yet another indication of a certain kind of chasm-wide double standard one has come to expect of the so-called Arab- or Muslim –street.
Desecrating the Koran is sacrilege or the highest order - using the bible for toilet paper and burning the Torah is ok. Muslim buildings must be respected and reverend by everyone - running riot through ancient Christian churches, blowing up thousand of year’s old Buddhist statues and tearing down Jewish religious houses is ok. And now, accidentally firing a gas-canister into a Mosque is worth rioting for - and apparently burning down churches for. Hypocrites.
I seem to recall that a similar Fatwa was issued against muslims participating in the Iraq insurgency at one time or another (also, similar ones aimed at anti-terrorist after 9/11) tomndebb…they seem to have little effect. I’m not sure that you can necessarily draw the conclusion that the riots are solely about unemployment and discrimination, though I agree that it seems this is of greater factor than purely religious motivations.
From what I’m reading it seems to still be getting worse…I read that article Rune quoted and another one on CNN and it seems that its possible this may spread beyond France (there was mention of Germany and Belgium I believe). How far COULD this spread throughout Europe? Is the perception of discrimination strong in other countries besides France for foreign born immigrants? Is the unemployment for those same folks equally high and equally frustrating?
First of all, I just want to say that I’m not trying to validate anything that these thugs are doing, but, at the same time, I’m not going to listen to people who are so ready to claim that it’s Islam that’s at the root of this problem. I think that ONE of the causes for the problem is that everyone is that everyone is so ready to blame Muslims.
If the driving factor for the riots was the religion of Islam, why aren’t Muslims of all ages participating? Why is it so focused on the youth?
I’m not French, but being from the South in the states, I know how people use culture against one another. I hesitate as much as possible with any indictment like that. To attribute the actions of a part of a group to the entire group is to open the rift even further.
I honestly think it’s racist to class this as uniquelly a muslim problem.
As far as the people who are pointing out that the uprisings are happening in other countries now, is that really a surprise? I ask that honestly, because I’ve always here (FROM Europeans) that the Muslim/Europe problem has been more or less the same in most European countries…not including Sweden…they’re always perfect…I’m just kidding…half-kidding.
I forgot to add that as regards those who are perpetuating the violence for religious reasons, designating them as true representatives of Islam is like calling Pat Robertson and Timothy McVeigh model Christians.
Personally, I would ask people to look at the “moral” lessons taught by the holy book of their religion, the culture of their parents, etc., in addition to the economic factors and dissatisfaction, but that’s just me.
Not me at least. Both the journalist reports and the first trials point at no organization above the level of the local gang/group of 12-25 yo buddies.
And yes, they burned a church, and a number of schools, of supermarkets, of gymnasiums, of social services, etc… still doesn’t see this as a religious action.
“Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan said France had ignored his calls for more tolerance, arguing that France’s ban on head scarves in public schools triggered the riots”.
So good to know Islam had nothing to do with it, huh.
Guess that discredits everything I said… 