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According to the Times, a big reason for this mess is that, after the essentially tied caucus between Clinton and Sanders in 2016, the Sanders campaign asked that future results be reported for every step in the process.
Not if you have a google sheets for them to enter data in.
CNN is reporting the Dems will release the results by 4:00 p.m.
Well, at least half the results by 4:00 p.m.
They hope.
Better solution was to scrap the caucus and have a primary. Would get much higher turn out in a primary and better representation of Iowa. Secret ballots, no need to give up an evening, not being deterred by the shouty groups.
Coin tosses were being used to determine some delegates when the count after the second rounds were even last night. What a joke.
They need to recruit the Geico Pinocchio guy to deliver the results.
I’m sure they’re doing the best they can to do an accurate and thorough job, but at this point the results are going to seem tainted to a lot of people. If this ends the tradition of all the candidates spending a year in Iowa, that may be a good thing.
One of the tabloids, not sure who, had this headline: DUH MOINES
Is this just an observation, or am I missing an implication of some sort?
Don Quixote and Sancho Panza could have done a better job.
Plus some people are not allowed to caucus, specifically people who work nights. I wanted to caucus in Colorado in 2016 but couldn’t since I worked 2 jobs. Thankfully we have primaries now.
Yeah, what’s up with that, Bijou? I was reminded of In Search of the Wily Filipino, a funny short essay by Steve Martin, based on a comment by Marlon Brando.
This does not say on which day at 4:00 p.m…
I’ve never caucused thankfully.
Maybe in the old days it had a purpose. Now it’s leading to people being cut off because not everyone can give up an evening as you say. Or voter depression in the age of social media. Imagine being that one guy who committed to someone like Michael Bennet because he has travelled all over the state, to listen to you and your communities and offered a vision and personality you like, only to have others take pictures of you to post online because you’re on your own.
Being too lazy to look upthread, someone said something about “coin flips”, implying that they were occasionally needed. I thought the Doper was joking. Now c’mon, it *was *a joke, right?
…Or which half.
Haha. Not a joke.
Don’t you remember the great coin flip controversy of 2016?
Not sure if it’s snark, but yes coin flips have been used in the caucus to determine the last delegate.
And while I hate caucuses, remember that a random draw was used for that Virginia election a couple years ago which not only determined a winner but also party control of the House of Delegates.
I have never heard of a ‘client success representative’ position in a tech firm. So I went and looked at the posting… The job requirements are heavy on being a good, faithful progressive, and there’s more stuff about diversity than actual job requirements, and not a word about technical skills or education even though the job description includes technical requirements gathering, being responsible for training and all client support.
No educational or technical requirements for this job at all, apparently. You just have to be willing to travel, to work nights, and really want to elect democrats.
Apparently that firm is run by a couple of ex-Clinton staffers. Hope they aren’t the same people who set up her email system.
Iowa and Nevada have a solution for that - “satellite caucuses,” where you caucus earlier in the day from near where you work.
Yeah - if these dumbfuck rubes INSIST on following such archaic practices, and INSIST on being first, they ought to make MINIMAL effort to do so responsibly. You’re telling me that, with however many precincts, they couldn’t POSSIBLY set up a system with sufficient phones to accept the results? Maybe assigning precincts time slots in which to call? We’re talking about a ONE DAY effort!
I just don’t see how a low tech system couldn’t handle this. Fuck - go back to telegrams for crying out loud!
But if you are going to apply higher tech, there doesn’t seem to be any shortage of possible communications platforms which could process some 5000 bits of information over a several hour period.
They could have just given each precinct a pre-formatted excel spreadsheet, then had them e-mail it in. It would have taken about a day to write a script to scrape them all and tabulate the results.
But then it wouldn’t be a cool app.