Ireland abortion referendum 25 May

Oh and the hospitals.

Not one vote counted yet.

RTE just released theirs. 70% yes.

The original ref in the 80’s was a mirror of this result 67% no abortion.

Divorce passed in '95 by less that 1%.

SSM in 2015 passed with 63%

If these numbers are true it a hugely important result outside of the actual issue at hand.

RTE exit poll in line with the Irish Times one

Counting has begun.

Sky News, UK, just reported that NO has conceded defeat.

Looks like I called this one wrong. Good! Happy to see my fellow citizens make the right choice. :slight_smile:

I was having a drink at a local watering hole last night and I bumped into an Irish friend of mine and we had a brief chat about the vote, at which point the friend told me the results were in and the ban was upheld. I was very surprised, and I’m glad to find out that info was wrong! Welcome to the 20th century, Ireland. :wink:

Something noteworthy about this referendum were the groups of American activists who traveled to Ireland with the aim of campaigning for a No vote and attempting to influence voters decisions.

Foreign nationals trying to influence voters, imagine that.

Yay! my gut feeling worked out for once. Very glad for the women of Ireland.

Groups of American activists also came to Canada in the 60s with the aim of sowing alarmist fears about the upcoming vote for single-payer health care. Specifically, Saskatchewan was expanding the existing public hospitalization coverage to full-fledged single payer, and the big American insurers were getting their shorts in a knot over it. At least they didn’t send in the CIA to stage a coup and overthrow the government.

I, on the other hand, was not permitted to buy an “Obama '08” baseball cap in 2008 because it would have been an illegal campaign contribution by a foreigner, thus constituting foreign meddling in an election. I should have asked Putin to get one for me.

ETA: Couldn’t resist the small digression, but on topic, kudos to Ireland, and welcome to the 21st century!

Unlike SSM or Brexit or the Scottish independence movement you could easily outlaw abortion again. There wouldn’t be a bunch of marriages, or Brexiting, or independencing to undo.

And it’s not like the proponent of an amendment to the Irish constitution can just call for all the referendums they want:

(From Wikipedia.)

You might as well ask if the prohibitionists had all the momentum in 1919, they only had to get their amendment to the constitution ratified once, right? And then there was no alcohol sale in the US for forever.

I saw a news article about this posted on FB and the photo showed a woman who was voting. She was dressed head to toe in orange. The connotations were not lost on me. Maybe her outfit was just a coincidence or something, but…has this been turned into a sectarian issue? Are Protestants and Catholics significantly divided over it? (I know this pertains to the Republic of Ireland, obviously, and not Northern Ireland.)

I’m sure the greens opposed it in the main, but I don’t see how abortion is approved of by Protestants either.

What did you expect from Republicans?

Presumably these are people who have no problems with Putin’s efforts to interfere in US elections. (I have no citation for that but it would appear to be logical.)

One wonders if any of them even realize that in Putin’s Russian, abortion is fully legal through the 12th week and largely legal after that, and

https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/policy/world-abortion-policies-2013.shtml

So anyway, congratulations to the Irish.

The US has a long history of trying to influence the public opinion in other countries, both officially and unofficially, and we’re perfectly capable of being hypocrites about it. So no, your presumption isn’t logical.

Why does that surprise you?

Your comment makes no sense. No one was discussing “the US” trying to influence public opinion in other countries.

What was actually being discussed was the activity of private citizens:

[highlighting mine]

There’s a world of difference between private citizens overtly expressing opinions about an election in another country and governments covertly funding troll armies and fake news. Barack Obama mentioned he’d like to see the UK remain the EU prior to that referendum. People in the elections forums often comment on foreign elections.

Two-to-one margin, I wonder about the demographics . It has been 35 years under that amendment, the median age is what, 37? So virtually half the country was born after it passed.

I do wonder how surprised the no/statu-quo forces are with the outcome and the margin. It certainly looks like pre-event polling was strongly affected by the voters holding their cards close to the vest.

As of when the regulating legislation gets put into effect, it will be Northern Ireland that will be stuck with retaining an anti-choice law, out of step with *both *the rest of the UK *and *the Republic.