OK, so you’re counting it as a vulva shot if there is a vulva in the frame, even if it can’t be distinguished clearly, but you’re not counting it as a labia shot unless they’re clearly recognizable as labia? I’m not sure why the double standard.
And you couldn’t work it out from the context? 
I haven’t even seen the movie, but I understood immediately what she was saying.
Yes, it was clearly a Jonah Hill Nudity joke but I had no idea when he ever had any significant nudity in the film.
Maybe Ellen should have recycled Seth McFarlane’s song from last year, and sung “We Saw Your Weenies!”
“Kevin Bacon showed his wang in Wild Things!
Bruce Willis whipped his out in Color of Night…”
Capone starring Ben Gazarra had a scene in which Susan Blakely gets out of bed nude and spreads her legs wide doing so, exposing pretty much everything - but only for a split second and the camera is across the room. Can’t think of any other nainstream films. In fact, I can’t even remember seeing any detail in Sharon Stone’s famous scene. More like a blur that could have been anything.
There’s just no need. Showing boobs is enough to get the feeling you need from nudity. Showing full frontal is good if you want to make sure they know she’s naked.
With guys, showing the chest isn’t enough, and full frontal necessarily includes the penis. You’ll note there are still rules about it being erect–again, because that just isn’t necessary to show for most nude scenes.
I know the OP references mainstream films, but I thought I’d chime in that in hard R Skinamax softcore films, women’s labia are seen, but generally only for a second or two at a time, but often they are quite clearly seen and no pubic hair. Guys junk are almost never seen. I say “almost” because there might be one out there, but I don’t know of it. An example would be “Call Girl Wives” which has a nice clear shot of a woman’s labia in the opening credits.
Thinking about it, mainstream films are just the opposite … lots of men’s junk and few or no labia visible.
I’m not what this might signify, if anything.
The vulva is and I quote from the dictionary is “the external female genitalia, specifically, the two pairs of labia and the cleft between them”. So if you just get to see a blurred shot of the pubic triangle where you don’t get to see the separation or ‘cleft’ you are not seeing the vulva. There are only two mainstream films that I know of where you get to see the vulva. In “basic instinct” for a brief moment and “trance” where you get to see it for several seconds.
The truth is that for one reason or another men get short changed in mainstream movies and as far as I can tell its deliberately that way. We hardly ever get to see vulva in these movies. The vulva is the female pubic triangle including the ‘cleft’. (So it by definition includes the labia majora). The reason is a combination of the movie rating system, the misguided standards of film producers, and the influence of feminist and conservative religious bodies. Its rubbish to argue that the vulva is not usually visible and that porn type poses are required for it to be so. In normal lighting, and with reasonably direct camera angles it is clearly visible so long as the actress is at least partly shaven. As most actresses are these days the reason you cant see it is because one, they have used obscure camera angles or subdued lighting, two they have selectively blurred the image or three make up or ‘merkins’ have been used to hide it.
I didn’t realize in my casual speech I was being lax on international vulva nomenclature standards. Is labia without cleft partial-vulva? outer-vulva? side-vulva?
I wonder what Google search string led johngtd to this thread…
I’m just thankful for his input. Seems he’s the go-to guy when labia/vulva questions arise.
Ok.
How is this known if we “hardly ever see” “vulva” in movies?
Well in MAINSTREAM movies the vulva is “hardly ever seen.” In porn films and in porn photos, vulva are shown quite often. In most cases, the vulva IS easy to see, if the woman is shaved, as many are nowadays. (With few exceptions. Women’s genitals vary greatly.)
“Why, Mr. Van Damm, you are Jewish!”
Blue is the Warmest Color has a couple of scenes which show the vulva/labia. It’s a french film so maybe that is the difference.
Labia (latin) basically translates as lips. What would you call the lips of the mouth if there was no opening? The female pubic triangle without cleft becomes a sexless nothing. The cleft and what it implies is what makes a woman a woman. Without the cleft its like a man without penis or scrotum. So when just the sides of a woman’s pubic triangle are shown or when the cleft is obscured by the methods I’ve already outlined what you are seeing is a ‘nothing’.
So Mr or Mrs WilyQuixote, ever heard of the admonishment
“argument against the man not the argument”
I’m not sure it’s valid to generalize from the pubic shaving habits of porn stars to the pubic shaving habits of all actresses.
you seem to have a problem with English. Hardly ever does not mean “never”. ‘Trance’ is a mainstreet movie and is the exception to the rule. The actress is shaven and it doesn’t involve close-ups but the ‘vulva’ is clearly visible.