Is Canada a "Fast Food Nation"?

Some time back, I got around to reading “Fast Food Nation”. It raises some good questions about the fast food industry in the US and other countries too, which have not been addressed in the few previous columns where the book is mentioned. These questions aren’t really about the book per se, so I’m posting them here. In short,

“Does Canada do a better job of protecting workers from exploitation by big business than the US?”

The book seems to argue beef production in the US is dangerously unsafe for both the worker (due to a dangerously high volume along slaughterhouse production lines) and the consumer (due to poor laws for testing for pathogens, underfunded regulatory bodies and corrupt companies). It argues farmers (especially poultry and potato) assume tremendous risk but that the companies collaborate to reduce financial benefits beyond the point of sustainability. Finally, it argues fast food workers themselves frequently do not speak English or get paid even their full minimum wages.

The big American meat and food companies are the same ones that control the industry in Canada. Is the situation for farmers here (or in the US) as dire as all that? IS the US situation changed by recent farm subsidies or do these mainly benefit big corporations like Tyson, ConAgra and IBP? I know many farmers who seem to do very well. Does the Canadian government do as bad a job as the States in ignoring E.coli and supplying meat to schoolkids? Canada in many ways is more secretive than the US and would have every interest in hiding poor performance in this area, and related areas like the use of GM foods. But I have met few fast food employees here who speak poor English. Am I just deluding myself?

You do realize that the book was heavily slanted towards the bad stuff? I read it, too, torn between annoyance and admiration. He put the worst possible spin on all the food industry statistics he could find, as this is what sells books. Nobody wants to read, “Everything’s okay in the U.S.D.A.–inspectors on the job, good food being sold…”

So all your questions are coming across as “bad slanted”, too. You’re taking it as your assumption that Schlosser’s statements are correct, which they aren’t, necessarily

My daughter works at a McDonalds at which all the employees speak English and get paid what they’re entitled to.

No doubt there are fast food joints where the employees are cheated out of part of their wages–but you’re going to find this in any industry. There are probably auto body shops, tanning salons, chicken-packing plants, and white-collar offices where the employees are also cheated out of part of their wages, but I don’t see anybody writing a flashy muckraking bestseller about those. No, Mickey D’s is the Villain Du Jour–everybody wants to read about the supposed Bad Stuff that happens down there.

The underlying assumption here is that the U.S. government in fact does a bad job in patrolling for e.coli, but the truth is that the e.coli outbreaks are the exception rather than the rule. Millions of people, and schoolkids, eat hamburger every day without getting sick.

I know I flunked Econ 101, but isn’t this what’s known as “capitalism”? See what I mean about his putting the worst possible spin on things? Yes, the farmers take a risk, but so do the companies. Capitalism is a dog-eat-dog world. The potato processor wants to buy potatoes at the lowest possible price–the farmer wants to sell him the potatoes at the highest possible price. Somewhere there’s a middle ground, called “doing business”.

And as for the companies “collaborating” on “reducing the farmer’s financial benefits beyond the point of sustainability”, well, this just doesn’t make sense. Why would all the potato processors want to get together and decide not to pay a high enough price for their potatoes, so that the potato farmers aren’t able to make a profit and are driven out of business? Doesn’t that mean that the potato processors then have nothing to process? Isn’t that kind of shooting yourself in the foot?

Yes, you can find instances of price-fixing in the food industry–but the thing is, they get caught. It’s not considered “business as usual” by the Feds, and simply winked at.

You’re saying, “The United States government doesn’t protect American workers from exploitation by Big Business.” Well, yeah, I suppose to a certain extent, it doesn’t. It’s assumed that the workers are all grownups (except for the kids, of course, and there are whole sets of rules just for them) and can mostly look after themselves, so it doesn’t take them by their little hands and walk them through it, holding an umbrella over their heads. But there’s OSHA, the USDA, the Illinois Attorney General’s office, and I dunno how many other state and federal agencies, not to mention a certain number of unions, all looking out for the Worker’s Interests. Yes, some fast food industry workers are probably being exploited by Big Business–but some auto body shop, tanning salon, chicken-packing plant, and white-collar office workers are probably being exploited, too, even as we speak.

So your entire OP is slanted (and if you were a stranger to me, I’d suspect an obnoxious troll. :wink: )

I think you should rephrase your question to read simply, “How does the Canadian fast food industry compare with the U.S. fast food industry?”

I don’t think Schlosser did put the worst possible spin on the stories he told. Part of the book involves the personal stories of various workers and no doubt some of these were chosen due to their shock value. But I came away from the book with some admiration of the business sense of many of the people who founded the fast food industry. I see nothing inherently wrong with the use of chemical flavours when natural flavours are equally complex. I continue to enjoy eating occasionally at fast food places, including McDonalds. One could argue McDonalds does play a leading role in using meat which has been properly tested. Fast food itself is not to blame for the fact people have busy schedules. Non-fast food restaurants also serve food that is not particularly nutritious because people think these foods taste good and fuels a demand.

Nevertheless, I think certain arguments that the book makes are very compelling. I do think the US government does do a bad job of ensuring that schoolchildren recieve good quality meat. It is clear to me that agribusiness has repeatedly lobbied against laws and testing that are clearly in the interest of public safety. As a doctor, I feel food poisoning due to poor quality meat is both commonplace and largely avoidable. I see quite a few suspicious cases of food poisoning on a weekly basis from people who eat such items.

Your arguments concerning economic pricefixing are similar to those used by industries. Some of these attempts can be proven and result in successful convictions, including the recent companies in Canada convicted of fixing the price of vitamin B3. I’m not sure why you believe the majority of these companies are caught, however. It’s not an easy crime to prove in a court of law. Business in general has not recently been awash in an afterglow of moral righteousness.

I think I was clear in the OP that the statements you find objectionable are, for the most part, what the book argues. My view is not always the same as that of the book, however I do buy most of the arguments I quote in the OP. Personal anecdotes can be chosen at will, but the main arguments of the book do seem to be largely compatible with the listed references. I’m quite unclear why you believe everything is OK in the USDA, or why you admired the book in the first place. If my question is slanted, I see nothing wrong with that. The question you suggest I ask is the same as the question I did ask.

I have nothing to add to the discussion at hand, either the questions in the OP or the issues that Duck Duck Goose raised. I just have a question. What’s wrong with workers not speaking English?

It’s not that something is wrong with the workers, it’s that they can be taken advantage of more easily.