SEC. 508. None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available pursuant to this Act shall be obligated or expended to finance directly any assistance to any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by military coup or decree: Provided, That assistance may be resumed to such country if the President determines and reports to the Committees on Appropriations that subsequent to the termination of assistance a democratically elected government has taken office.
Mubarak didn’t come to power via a coup of a “duly elected” head of government. IMO, there should have been, at least, some nominal suspension of aid that would be held in escrow (if you will) until elections are held. Or, get Congress to change the law.
Let’s also remember that this all transpired in the summer, after the 2013 aid had been delivered, meaning that even if we cut all aid to Egypt, nothing would have changed for roughly 6 months. That should have been time to hold new elections.
And, of course, even if you want to call Mubarak’s ouster a coup, he was never “duly elected” so the law wouldn’t apply in his case.
Morsi resigned too. Had he been able to consolidate power through the US friendly military he would not have needed to resign. What I believe Marmite Lover has been saying that Morsi was trying to consolidate his power through links to a terrorist organization and that made his government illegitimate and if it were duly elected it was elected based on fraud. The people rose against him and he had no way to cling to power and specifically was not legitimate because western democracies’ leaders said he was.
Enough Egyptians voted with their feet to oust the SOB Islamist terrorist sympathizer and there was no need to label it a coup of a duly elected government because Morsi was not duly governing as he should have under the conditions that surrounded him.
The US aid to Egypt has been given mostly to the military for decades without it being a duly elected government. As I see it the Morsi brief blip of elected government justified an exception or a special quick addendum that would allow the WH to continue aid at least where it does the most good. To me all along it was a no brainer to keep the Pentagon and Egyptian military in close contact privately with some harsh talk publicly to keep the impression of US meddling from going out of control.
He resigned because he did not fight to the death as he said he would. He did not fight because he obviously had nothing and nobody to fight on his side. That’s what I said. “Had he been able to consolidate power through the US friendly military he would not have needed to resign.” No he did not write a letter of resignation and peacefully walk away. Not that king of resignation, but he did not fight. If you prefer surrendered to the military that’s ok too.
He surrendered without a fight because he had no real power when his Islamist agenda went too far.
Exactly. It’s the same ‘authority’ ‘power’ ‘military regulated society’ that we have been ‘aiding’ because the military is the de facto holder of power - always was and still is. The Morsi blip would have lasted longer had represented the secular revolutionaries and the military that obviously is sympathetic to the secularists and opposed to Morsi’s Islamists stirring up a potential conflict with Israel.
You are truly a treasure trove of comedy gold in this thread. In your world he resigned and there wasn’t a military coup because he didn’t get himself killed in a firefight with the army which was forcefully deposing him from elected office. You know, it is a pretty rare occurance that I’m in total agreement with Shodan about anything in GD.
I didn’t say it did. In saying Morsi was not duly elected because he committed fraud to get elected in an environment where duly organized political opposition had not been given time to counter the fraud.
And buying votes takes Morsi out of the ‘duly elected’ category anyway.
I am not saying it was not a military coup. What are you responding to?
I used the term resigned in response to a post that Mubarak resigned. When
Mubarsk resigned he asked the Military to take over buy who or what else could he turn power over to. Mubarak did have power because the military gave it to him. So when Morsi resigned - surrendered - was deposed - driven out of office - he was not turning over power to the very same military becsuse he never really had it to turn over.
There are things such as forced resignations and I believe Mubarik’s and Morsi’s resignations were both Forced.
If you must call one a military coup and the other a resignation / I think Mubarak’s was more a coup than Morsi’s because there was an actual transfer of real power when Mubarak quit. My point is that when Morsi quit the military already had the power they had when Mubarak handed power to them
I’m talking about real power. Morsi never had it. He never had real power because he screwed up the chance that was given him.
I never said Obama is claiming anything. Obama had played it close to the best and I agree with that. He avoided calling it a coup and the aid never had to be suspended or cut as Rand Paul and McCain called for.
An Egyptian who lives in Egypt who is posting here says Morsi lied his way into office and I find no reason to doubt that since that was much of the concern that millions of Egyptians who rose up against him had expressed.
I never said I was. I expect the revolutionaries in Egypt to legitimately make that call and they have and I agree with it from all I’ve read and heard expressed from my Egyptian friends who all have family there.
Your world must contain the planet Error. And you live on it. I am not arguing there was not a military coup. I wrote this in response to Shodan’s, “While technically a coup the fair and wise use of that concept in revolutionary Egypt should not and need not apply because of extraordinary circumstances as to why Morsi deserved and needed to be taken down.”
Shodan was big enough to apologize. Are you?
Aside from the fact that some anonymous poster on a message board isn’t a cite, can you cite how he "lied his way into office’ and then cite the law which says “lying” in a campaign delegitimizes an election? Because if so, we’ll be calling for Obama to resign tomorrow.